Rebel clan...

[picommander]

I would recommend all members of the [X] clan only attacking well known veterans exclusively (or at least ask new players if they want PVP). Also keep in mind there are also those players with bad ping times (watch their ping times with ~ or ^ on german keyboard). When it's showed in red and/or above 400ms, they'll have a clear technical disadvantage against someone below e.g. 50ms and probably won't have much fun with PVP.

[Iron man]

I would recommend all members of the [X] clan only attacking well known veterans exclusively (or at least ask new players if they want PVP). Also keep in mind there are also those players with bad ping times (watch their ping times with ~ or ^ on german keyboard). When it's showed in red and/or above 400ms, they'll have a clear technical disadvantage against someone below e.g. 50ms and probably won't have much fun with PVP.

[x] have been always right and fair so far ( or almost).
And respected a maximum new players. But if a new x member new player can only attack veteran not sure that will be equal wasn't?
Players who wear a clan tag i consider they make their choice and are not new. Player don't wear a,clan tag with a low rank i will probably help him or otherwhise i will notice and ask if he desire have a fight.
About ping the game give a very good job of synchronization. That mean someone who as a ping of 35 and anotherone 350 will be the same. All the shoot will be count in the two part!
So don't be scare

I want add because apparently not that much bad clan turn around, i believe a nasty clan with a fun attitud could bring activity on the game.

[Edited on 5-2-2014 by Iron man]

[picommander]

I'm not afraid for myself, though I'm still somewhat new as well but won't mind being hardly better than a practice target. Basically I support the idea of a"bad" clan in the Evoverse and at someday I even might want to join myself.

Right now I'm under the influence of the book "Zorro" from Isabel Allende (awesome book btw.) where in the last quarter our heroes were entered be a pirate ship led by the famous pirate "Pierre Lafitte". While not exactly a man of honor, there where some strict rules at these times even the worst sort of pirates usually respected. One of these rules was the color of their flag, the Jolly Roger. A black banner with skull means the pirates would be true to their word and let the crew go for a payment (usually a quarter of their yearly income). A red flag would mean blood, no survivors.

This leads to the suggestion, as long as we don't have hard-coded server-side PVP rules and as long as server population is still pretty low, why not handle unwanted situations by certain tags in front of the fleet tag (maybe in curved brackets {} instead of [])? Like e.g. a simple {pvp} or {pve} like a signal to other pilots that we are ready or not for pvp. Unflagged players would need to be left alone or at least talked to before attacking them. Excluding Cindy of course, this "welcome shot" seems bound by tradition...

[Rubber Chicken]

.... This leads to the suggestion, as long as we don't have hard-coded server-side PVP rules and as long as server population is still pretty low, why not handle unwanted situations by certain tags in front of the fleet tag (maybe in curved brackets {} instead of [])? Like e.g. a simple {pvp} or {pve} like a signal to other pilots that we are ready or not for pvp. Unflagged players would need to be left alone or at least talked to before attacking them. Excluding Cindy of course, this "welcome shot" seems bound by tradition...

http://www.starwraith.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9140

http://www.starwraith.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11095


Similar concepts... If you can think of a way to simplify and make it common knowledge to all multiplayers, then by all means feel free.

[Cindy]

Excluding Cindy of course, this "welcome shot" seems bound by tradition...

It is... and anyone is free to hunt me down - I might even throw in 10 million to "certain" kills made by others to me.

[picommander]

.... This leads to the suggestion, as long as we don't have hard-coded server-side PVP rules...

[yadda, yadda, skip what seems the sad story of my life: whenever I think I got a decent idea it's already thought out and a lot better. ]

http://www.starwraith.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9140

http://www.starwraith.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11095


Similar concepts... If you can think of a way to simplify and make it common knowledge to all multiplayers, then by all means feel free.

Don't expect me to read the whole thread since PVP isn't really my business, but I did read the OP of the first link and I admit these ideas are all great and make sense. But I'm under the impression you already suspect them a little overly complicated, otherwise you hardly would have asked for some simplifications. These rules try to cover each and every case, like in a professional sport. While there you have a referee and it's all about a lot of money, we're just playing a game here with a small community and with fun in our mind. Think of the offside rule in football. While it makes absolute sense in a professional context, I doubt some kids playing football on the street would care much about this rule. So I would recommend a minimal version of your set of rules on the introduction page of each server. Something like this (with better spelling of course):

]x[ flag in front of your name means everyone is free to attack you, while you are allowed to attack other pilots with the ]x[ flag or defend yourself when attacked by others.
For further details go to http:/[insert link to a hopefully sticky side of your rules]

I would put these rules sticky and on the front page of the Rookie Pilots / Newbies forum.

Just my 2 cents, but as I said: not really my business.

[Iron man]

[X] clan are and has always been "bad" clan without no rules but with a respect the other players.

No worries not that much [x] member or [v] or [ba] turn arround at the moment. And until i don't get a good connection it will be difficult get on.


I believe evoverse is free. Like when you meet a faction where you have a bad reputation with, ai don't speak they will open fire on you. I don't say i will do the same things but i always did to nicely my duty so just i was warmed everyone i will creat corectly a mess this time.
I announced that also for encouraging players and veteran attack me without any warning. I need training im quite rusty.

Cindy prepare a couple of million.....
We still need do this fight We didn't finish.
I Will try go on tonight on olympus prime server if my conection alow me.

[Rubber Chicken]

Yes, picommander, the rules for each thread are quite complicated. The truth is I wrote them so players using them wouldn't find loopholes in the loopholes, act badly, then refer to me as inspiration for acting badly. You may have noticed these threads both went inactive. The tournament thread I'd like to see get further developed, but ]x[ is really an extinct concept.

While I believe I have a certain level of respect with the big 3 - CAV, OP-FR, and Gal1 - server operators, there's not any of these rules enforced by any for a reason. - Mainly because not flying around and bouncing other players is a matter of etiquette and nothing more. Us veteran players don't free-kill new pilots not because we are under rules, but because we understand the learning curve is steep for many new players, and it is a small community we would rather see grow than not grow.

Server operators aren't here to be 'fun police'. They are there because they want to share their property with us so we have a place to play together. So, while it would be nice to have a hard-coded system to indicate that players don't want to experience random pvp as they multi-play, the truth is this - there's a single player feature as well. If you're going to get into a MP experience where there are spaceships, guns, and other people, then get upset if/when you get shot at, then MP is not for you.

Please understand that I really am not intending to come off as 'elitist' with the above statements. Any other game I can think of that has rules about "ask for pvp" basically has them hard-coded into noob areas where kicks/bans/penalties are enforced by the program itself.


[Edited on 5-3-2014 by Rubber Chicken]

[picommander]

That's my one and only intention, too. Personally I'm still quite happy with SP, though I could imagine the time will come where AI pilots make me yawn. Not in the near future though. And I also like exploring, even sight-seeing tours on foreign planets. I just see new people come and go and only a handful stay or were always here as it seems. As you said: Learning curve is already steep and adding complicated rules on top of that can't be all too helpful for new players. Meanwhile I think I've got a surface impression of the community and things like 'ganking' from any of the veterans would be the very least of my concerns. And since the learning curve is that steep, new players usually wouldn't be much of a threat either, so maybe the whole discussion is moot anyway. Nothing that would keep me at least from playing on MP servers, but as I said it isn't about me.

[Marvin]

Iron Man, I'm beginning to feel sorry for you ... all dressed up and no place to go. Feel free to attack IM territory ... but only if you're not of a sensitive nature. Because, if we're on line when you attack, we will use the worst kind of language ... not including four-letter words (one of our members is still a youngster). Snidely Whiplash got fewer "boos" and "hisses" than you will should we be around* to attack you verbally. All in the spirit of the game, of course.

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Snidely Whiplash (far left)[/align]

But I would ask, if you take down one or more of our stations, that you build one of your own in its place. This will let us know who is to blame for the dastardly deed ... and it will also give us the opportunity to blow up your own station in retaliation.


* And, if we're not around, one of us will post a nasty note in the IM section of the forum, decrying the attack.

[Iron man]

ahahah alright Marvin I will try find of your station.... Don't be sorry it's fine it's better communicate and find the best solution
I add a precision to make fair to everyone I try avoid doing pizza mission or lost cat mission and instead choose fight mission to make less boring to myself as well. Unfortunately I can't choose this surch of mission in Atlas.

Picomander. I can garanty you if you play in multiplayer and in front of a bad clan if you are far far away from a know system don't worrie nobody (or almost) will join you. I speak for me, but I will rather wait you finish your stuff and come back to a known system for engage hostility !

Come around in mp it's not only pvp, it's also for speak and discuss with people. Exhange tips and work in the same mission with many players.
I remind you sp and mp are completly link ( or almost....) so let give it a try I reckon !

[Edited on 5-3-2014 by Iron man]

[Iron man]

As yesterday morning i was able to stay a while this morning without being disconnected
I meet 3 news players and tried help them a maximum i could.

I took the advantage being on to built 12 [x] station at olympus prime

Moving to another place soon i hope see you guys shortly again!

[Iron man]

Meet [X] member MissingTime today on cety alpha v.
We had time to make together a descents chaos into the npc vonari line..... At tallison conflict . If you read this line hope catch u soon again.
Always a pleasure see some [X] still flying around even after a long absence

[Iron man]

Glad some new X member enter into the clan and choose to creat the mess and the chaos into the universe !
Player [X] got basic fight skills yesterday and fought against [GOD] myo2.
Even if Cid was unexperiment compare to his adversary, he has been a coward and attacked him many times.
Cid player remind me when I started and I tried kill [FF] Hawk

[Ace High]

I just thought I put down here that I've join the Rebel cause.

[myo2]

Even if Cid was unexperiment compare to his adversary, he has been a coward and attacked him many times.

Something is being lost in translation here. As I remember, I challenged Cid not realizing how new he was, and yeah, I beat him.

Another time, Cid tried to get the jump on me with some surprise missiles and it didn't end well for him. But I did like how ballsy that was.

[Iron man]

I just thought I put down here that I've join the Rebel cause.

Welcome into X clan !

You are free to spread the chaos and the destruction.

[Iron man]

I;m really impressed by the progress of [X] Ace high. He has proved if he continue fight like that it's just a question of time before he will be blow me up like a sitting duck ahaha.
Glad you choose [X] clan for make the chaos. Looking playing with you again.

[Marvin]

I;m really impressed by the progress of [X] Ace high.

If he's been playing the online game which is his namesake, I can understand the progress he's made.

[Iron man]

Yes he has been online more often than i did lately and he did some team work in war zone.
I will bet hes going to do a lot of kill for the event of next weekend

[picommander]

I guess Marvin refers to the WW1/WW2 air combat simulator?

[Marvin]

Yup ... lots of good pilots in that game.

[Iron man]

Hi everyone,

Holding the X tag and have been doing some contract in olympus system, it seems during the last weekend on cety alpha V the % of olympus has been down to 65%. I haven't been able discovered the persone or group of people who will be responsable of this attack against X clan. Unfortunately it seems no one left is/their Business card

Someone know wich clan or persone who's looking for trouble?
I will be glad shoot something

[Schmidtrock]

Hello all and welcome to the folks who have joined forces with [X] since I've been away!
See you in the black real soon!

[SeeJay]

Hello all and welcome to the folks who have joined forces with [X] since I've been away!
See you in the black real soon!

They're all dead! They met me! LOL!:D:D