The Thinking of the Outside of that there Box...

Apo Dominus · Post by **Apo Dominus** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 12:54 pm

Aliens... Real ones.

I used to research "things" for a "forum" for a good few years, probably about 8 years ago or so, and I was wondering...

What do you know?

How much do you know?

And

Why do you know such things?

Well, reason being, I got quite heavily into UFOs after I saw a perfect "Classic" UFO, on the way to school once. Ever since then I've believed in some things... I say Classic, it was a disk shape object that was hiding behind a cloud... It came out of the cloud, went back in to the cloud, came out, went back in. Then zoomed from behind the cloud, up up and away. UFO!

I was standing on top of a hill in the morning, I almost fell down the hill when I saw it. The hill was very much like a small mountain! by the way. eh heheh...

So, after seeing it I was in shock. Never even thought of the possibility of Aliens before that moment. Was actually in shock for the whole day and thought about it many times in the days after.

When I left school, got a job, lost a job, girlfriend, new job, lost girlfriend, lost job... New job, new girlfriend, new car, new laptop...

Joined "Forum"

Became "Researcher" for "Forum" and Researched... Into aliens and UFOs...

Looked at 100s of pics and stuff, vids and articles... Then I decided I needed real evidence after much of the stuff was faked. I hate that... But there's a reason we are told that much of it is fake, when some is not fake at all... Anyway, I need more, I needed real, so I searched the MoD website, the FBI, the CIA, and the Freedom of Information Acts.

ALL of these companies sites have downloadable files. And some that have been DE CLASSIFIED. After the 50 year Classification time or whatever... So I've seen a fair bit of what they have on the subject of UFOs, Abductions and Cattle Mutilations. There is a lot to see...

So then I guess I found a few random places where information was extremely delicate... Religion... I'll just say is as I see it. Aliens. Aliens have been somehow involved in pretty much everything, I guess... Religion is actually scary when things become clearer...

Call me nuts... But the Mayans were told something from beings that hailed from another world. Which is awesome. One of my fave things about the Mayans is - They knew that they were the 7th Planet!!! Funny thing is, we are the 3rd from the Sun... And 7th from Pluto!!! SO WHOEVER TOLD THE MAYANS THAT THEY WERE THE 7TH PLANET, CAME FROM BEYOND PLUTO...

Which is worrying... So what Brown Dwarf Star is "Said" to be in OUR SYSTEM RIGHT NOW... Well. Nibiru, ofcourse. The Winged Detroyer, the Mayans called it. And it does look somewhat "Winged" when you find it yourself on Google Sky.

(It's funny. NIBIRU IS NOT BLOCKED OUT ON GOOGLE SKY... but it's seven years ago... Nibiru was in LEO 7 years ago...)

(Funny because Nibiru is not blocked out, BUT THE THINGS COMING FROM VIRGO ARE!!!!) LOL I love this!!! This is real too...

So something was coming along from VIRGO, and Nibiru was coming from Leo... 7 years ago. And The Solar Anvil is back at our sun. RIGHT NOW...

Strange things are a foot, my friends, many strange things indeed... And I just wanted to say some of this now, as the time's right I guess, before the end of the world... LOL!!!!

If you don't know what I'm on about... Then, good. Don't have nightmares...

[Edited on 12-3-2012 by Apo Dominus]

-splosives- · Post by **-splosives-** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 1:07 pm

Check this out. This is what I think about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSJElZwEI8o

[Edited on 12-3-2012 by -splosives-]

Viper · Post by **Viper** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 1:26 pm

Good post, Apo. And hats off for posting it. For a lot of people it's still a very dubious subject, and most people are very reluctant to say anything if you bring it up in fear of being ridiculed. Even on a forum like this one...

But I'm right there with you on that kinda stuff. Have seen a couple of things myself, and since then also a deep interest in the subject for years now. Have done a lot of research on the matter too, and thanks to that have come to certain beliefs.

Personally I'm still not sure about the Niburu phenomenon, since there are so many opinions and so much info on it. And it's hard to separate the real stuff from the BS and come to an objective view.
I'm pretty convinced the Mayans had knowledge we don't even have today, and that something is going to happen in a couple of weeks. I have no idea what however, and certainly don't think the world's going to end. Recently I've read something about universal resonance that will change in some way on the 21st after which humanity will come to different views on things, which I found to be the most appealing explanation do far. Even though I'm not much of a spiritual guy and this stuff was pretty 'up there', it's funny.

As many many others, I'd very much like to the answers to a couple of very important questions, and I hope that some of them will be answered by the end of this year. Fingers crossed.

Apo Dominus · Post by **Apo Dominus** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 1:27 pm

Smiling! He's a fun guy! Like, like Cleveland off Family Guy!!!!

Oh the scientists at NASA know, they know way more than what many people know... They get to delete stuff and re edit stuff. And stuff... Oh he doesn't know about Roswell? They released enough evidence for him to understand that technology has advance in the last 50 years... All because of some crashes... Crashes in all different countries, except the American Military decided to hide it after they already released it the day before... LOL!!! OOPS... Even the guys that were there came forward...

Aliens... I say Aliens, I could say Inter-dimensional Beings... But that gets confusing so I call them Aliens... Man this guy is funny!!! Thanks for the Vid

I'm not worried that you probably think it's weird to have seen a UFO, but I'm not the only one

All governments over the world are releasing everything, and America has to follow. Check out the actual docs there not too hard to find...

And Viper, cheers man, yeah real dodgy subject... And too much BS about... But there's a few hidden gems that scare the C Rap outta me... And it's not good... I wouldn't like to say that it'll be here 21st, but if you see this thing move, it can shoot across space like it's a ship of some sort... eh heheheheh... in the same video it seems that Saturn os knocked off it's axis... Worrying. Anyway, yeah real dodgy, and I can't say that I believe it

I don't. I'd love to, which is why I have the interest, I don't believe it because I know that it's true and it's a very bad thing... lol

[Edited on 12-3-2012 by Apo Dominus]

Viper · Post by **Viper** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 1:35 pm

Coincidentally, I was just watching this: Stealth Mission Curiosity: Confirming Ancient Intelligence On Mars. Very interesting, certainly in these times.

-splosives- · Post by **-splosives-** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 1:44 pm

I don't really understand why people can be scared of something they know absolutely nothing about. It's like being scared of going to hell when you die.
If there's really aliens out there, we'll know it sooner or later whenever we find real evidence.
I'm not saying it's impossible, but I will never believe in anything I don't have scientific proof of. That's also why I'm not religious, nor am I an atheist (atheists believe there is no god, while I believe nothing). That's all I can say on this subject. You guys, however, can believe whatever you want.
I guess we'll see what happens when the day comes, cause that's all we can do now.

Apo Dominus · Post by **Apo Dominus** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 2:10 pm

Viper:

Nice! I love Ancient Alien theories and stuff! I'll take a look at that tomorrow when I have a bit more time. Also in your previous post you said about the universal resonance stuff... The Photonic Plane or something? When all the planets in our system allign! Our planet goes through the plane and our apparent brain frequency will rise to a very high level... Meaning a spritual advance seems appropriate... I spose...

Splosives:

Cool man, I can dig non believers of everything! ( I mean that like in "The Warriors" - "Can youuuuuuuu dig it?")
I can say this and hope you can take from it what you will... Either nothing, or something...
-A believer in science knows only what "they" know, and what YOU ARE TOLD. Nothing more. Look at TV and Our perception of Reality... IT'S RIDICULOUS!!! TV shows us the everything we need to know... Radio, everything we need to hear...

Nothing about what is actually going on... Lies and terrible things... The governments in every country have documents that HAVE been released on specific cases where they have taken them SERIOUSLY, actually sent people out on so called missions to investigate and report on these things. It's all there in writing by OFFICIAL people. It's also only a matter of time before the US release their stuff, and when they do...

They'll release some stuff... But not all of it, of course

The "UFO" on the hill that I saw, just the first thing I saw... Not the best that I've seen... I know that's eye-witness and means nothing.

But the real proof is easily accesable via the internet

with all the satalite links you can log on to. And the Sun Viewer shows many things now... The Infrared Satalite on Google Sky... Most of them have live streams... And NASA do make mistakes hehe... A lot lol

[Edited on 12-3-2012 by Apo Dominus]

-splosives- · Post by **-splosives-** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 2:31 pm

From post: 150158, Topic: tid=10049, author=Apo Dominus wrote:Viper:

-A believer in science knows only what "they" know, and what YOU ARE TOLD. Nothing more. Look at TV and Our perception of Reality... IT'S RIDICULOUS!!! TV shows us the everything we need to know... Radio, everything we need to hear...

Nothing about what is actually going on... Lies and terrible things... The governments in every country have documents that HAVE been released on specific cases where they have taken them SERIOUSLY, actually sent people out on so called missions to investigate and report on these things. It's all there in writing by OFFICIAL people. It's also only a matter of time before the US release their stuff, and when they do...

[Edited on 12-3-2012 by Apo Dominus]

That's why I don't watch TV, and I don't listen to the radio. And it's also why I don't believe anything about alien evidence. If I can't trust what the government tells me, I can't trust that either.
The only things I trust in a certain degree it my lab equipment. Because they are not influenced by human perception.

Everything that is being said by people has a degree of uncertainty. And when more and more evidence support these claims, the degree of uncertainty decreases. So when this uncertainty is low enough, then this theory can be classified as "acceptable" or "likely to be true" or "plausible". But never should one think that what anyone says is "the truth". Believing something is accepting something with a fairly high degree of uncertainty to be the truth, simply because you don't know any better.

One does not "believe" in science. Science is not a religion. It is simply the act of trying to unravel "the truth" until you come up with a theory that is "likely to be true". But never do we scientists accept this theory as "the truth", and therefor it is not a belief.

Viper · Post by **Viper** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 3:08 pm

Having almost finished the video I linked above, I have to agree that this guy is jumping to conclusion a wee bit too easily ("that's a pipe sticking out of it!", "this is this" and this is that"). Although it's a good thing to address subjects like that from the video, you just can't tell from a vague photo what something on the surface of another planet is.

In response to splosives:
Unfortunately it doesn't work like that for everyone. Most people don't have a lab in which they can test stuff. And what if you would come in the possession of some material that could possibly shed more light on the alien/ufo phenomenon? Do you think you, or any other scientist would necessarily have the knowledge to even understand what they are looking at?

What you said about science, I agree with for the most part. In fact I think science is pretty much the only thing that can bring us the truth about anything. I am much like you and prefer to see evidence, or rather, proof before believing anything. I'm not religious, nor an atheist just like you, for the same reasons. However, those people who are not scientists, and do not have labs, how are they supposed to draw their conclusions? Based on information they receive from other scientists, that work for our beloved governments?... Don't think so, you said it yourself.

So, what is left for the common guy? To try to objectively take in as many of the information he can get his hands on, weigh all evidence against each other, and than draw a conclusion.

That said, I don't think anyone should EVER draw any definitive conclusions, even though one might be absolutely certain the evidence is clear. Over the past of humanity we, in our eternal arrogance, have proven ourselves wrong too many times with stuff of which we thought we were certain. Or so we thought. Whether or not we could fly, whether or not breaking the sound barrier was possible, flying into space, the speed of light, etc.

If there is one thing that science has always done absolutely WRONG, it's thinking and saying that they 'know' because such and such, and something works like this and that, because they have the evidence.

Isn't the essence of science to try and discover and explain new things?... For that, you need an open mind. Over the last past decades scientific minds couldn't have been more closed.

One should always keep an open mind, and ask the single most important question: "what if". Scientist or not.

Don't get me wrong, I still think science is the only way to move forward, find answers and develop ourselves as a species, it's just that the way mainstream science has been presented or practiced over the last few decades, is fundamentally wrong. I think there is more hope in the sidestream science, or what some mockingly call 'alternative science', because those people seem to keep an open mind if it comes to unknown stuff, whereas in the mainstream science people are simply killed if they bring up a controversial subject, or disagree with a conclusion that is generally accepted.

[Edited on 12-3-2012 by Viper]

-splosives- · Post by **-splosives-** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 3:29 pm

From post: 150165, Topic: tid=10049, author=Viper wrote:
If there is one thing that science has always done absolutely WRONG, it's thinking and saying that they 'know' because such and such, and something works like this and that, because they have the evidence.

Isn't the essence of science to try and discover and explain new things?... For that, you need an open mind. Over the last past decades scientific minds couldn't have been more closed.

[Edited on 12-3-2012 by Viper]

This is what I like to call the "dark side of ignorance".
Some people will get so convinced of their theory that they will disregard any evidence that disproves their theory. This is where science stops and turns into religion.
So this isn't something science does wrong, this is what scientists can turn into when they stray from the path of science.
You are right about the need of an open mind, but I'm sure there's plenty of good scientists out there that still do their jobs with an open mind

sapperhedge · Post by **sapperhedge** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 5:50 pm

Personally I don't think I have ever doubted that there would be life on other planets. I have always had the reasoning that there are too many solar systems out there for this planet to the the only one with life on it.

Now if we have been visited by some I am with -splosives-.
I would need hard proof.

-splosives- · Post by **-splosives-** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 6:12 pm

From post: 150179, Topic: tid=10049, author=sapperhedge wrote:Personally I don't think I have ever doubted that there would be life on other planets. I have always had the reasoning that there are too many solar systems out there for this planet to the the only one with life on it.

Exactly. Also take into account that life on earth is made out of the most common elements in the universe.

Viper · Post by **Viper** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 6:30 pm

From post: 150181, Topic: tid=10049, author=-splosives- wrote:Exactly. Also take into account that life on earth is made out of the most common elements in the universe.

As far as we know...

You said earlier that you want to have as much proof as possible before believing something, but you have no proof what so ever that life on earth is made out of the most common elements in the universe. The universe is vast, probably much bigger than we can comprehend. We have only discovered an incredible tiny portion of it. Than to say the above, is pure speculation.

Which was exactly my earlier point. It's like with assuming that the most necessary component for life is water. Or that intelligent life forms from another world still knows what radio waves are (ie SETI). The truth is that we just don't know these things. We use ourselves as examples, and draw conclusions, or rather, assumptions, out of that.

[Edited on 12-3-2012 by Viper]

Maarschalk · Post by **Maarschalk** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 6:45 pm

From post: 150152, Topic: tid=10049, author=-splosives- wrote:Check this out. This is what I think about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSJElZwEI8o

[Edited on 12-3-2012 by -splosives-]

LOL....this is so funny!....I mostly agree!

I agree more on the line of what Viper said!

1. Have an open mind and pure motive to seek the truth and knowledge of the truth!

2. Science and Religion must go hand in hand. Science without Religion leads to Materialism and Religion without Science leads to Superstition!

3. There is a big difference between the Impossible and the Unknowable! Is the creation of man gradually(Evolutionary) or did he appear all of a sudden out of nowhere(Created in one day) or is both possible but unknowable?

So to investigate the truth about anything you need to know and apply these three things!

You have to have an open mind free of the truth poisoning ego (self) to think out side of the box.

This is the basis for accepting any truth after the aquired knowledge and investigation of truth using the Teachings and Siences bestowed upon us by our Creator.

For a Creature without a Creator is Impossible, for Man did not Create himself. A Van Gogh Master Piece painting no matter how perfect the painting is, can not Create another Van Gogh Painting this is Impossible. Van Gogh however can Create another Van Gogh Master Piece but Van Gogh is unknowable to the Master Piece! But the Van Gogh Master Piece is proof that Van Gogh existed!

So knowing where the understanding and inspiration of the Arts and Sciences come from is a first step in discovering and accepting the truth about anything and as we evolve the truth evolves as our knowledge evolves through open minded independant investigation of the truth!......

[Edited on 12-3-2012 by Maarschalk]

-splosives- · Post by **-splosives-** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:11 pm

From post: 150182, Topic: tid=10049, author=Viper wrote:
From post: 150181, Topic: tid=10049, author=-splosives- wrote:Exactly. Also take into account that life on earth is made out of the most common elements in the universe.
As far as we know... You said earlier that you want to have as much proof as possible before believing something, but you have no proof what so ever that life on earth is made out of the most common elements in the universe. The universe is vast, probably much bigger than we can comprehend. We have only discovered an incredible tiny portion of it. Than to say the above, is pure speculation.

Which was exactly my earlier point. It's like with assuming that the most necessary component for life is water. Or that intelligent life forms from another world still knows what radio waves are (ie SETI). The truth is that we just don't know these things. We use ourselves as examples, and draw conclusions, or rather, assumptions, out of that.

[Edited on 12-3-2012 by Viper]

Ok, I'll rephrase. Life on earth is made out of the most common elements in the parts of the universe that we have studied.
Which is: Hydrogen, oxygen, carbon and nitrogen.
These are also the smallest elements (excluding helium) in the periodic table, which means they're more easily created by high pressures in stars, which means there's a lot of it. This is why people generally accept (with a degree of uncertainty) that they are the most common elements in the entire galaxy. This will remain so until proven wrong.

Water is not an element, just to be clear. I think most people know that it exists out of hydrogen and oxygen.
So there might be life made out of entirely different components made with the same elements. Life based on ammonia or methane would also be within the same category of elements. It would be unlikely that life evolves out of extremely rare substances, because there's simply not enough of it to sustain life.

Viper · Post by **Viper** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:25 pm

Absolutely agree. I recently saw some documentary on I think Discovery Channel, where they discussed the discovery of tiny living organisms in small puddles near vulcanos, that lived not in water, but in - I believe - sulfuric acid or methane (or something similar), something no scientist would have deemed possible, according to the program. As far as they had always assumed, no life would have ever been possible in fluids like those. I always find it fascinating to see that nature often seems to find a way to make the impossible possible.

Busch · Post by **Busch** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:47 pm

Ya, Mamma Nature abhors a vacuun....

Flash · Post by **Flash** » Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:56 pm

It would seem a mathematical certainty life would exist in one form or another on other planets. A big hurtle we preceived years ago was the distance between stars. Now recently we have a working theory to get around that through space compression while still staying within the confines of Einstein's Theory. It's not so hard to believe we have been visited. I would think our planet would be of interest and not so difficult to detect life since it has been teaming with it for almost a billion years. That would mean if some one was within a billion light year radius who had the equipment to scan for life, they'd know we(life) are here or at least were.

[Edited on 12-3-2012 by Flash]

Busch · Post by **Busch** » Tue Dec 04, 2012 2:00 am

Alcubierre' Drive...Warp Bubbles no less!

:P:P:P:P

Apo Dominus · Post by **Apo Dominus** » Tue Dec 04, 2012 7:42 am

Not hard to believe we have been visited... This is ONE of SOOOOO MANY places on EARTH that has so much mystery in our time of knowing everything.

Puma Punku - This is awesome. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_N-N90U50Q

I don't want to flood y'all with loads of videos so I'll keep to a minium. But the link above is very interesting.

I don't believe in science

lol, I have reason, I sorta think that there's a "Company" perhaps, above law, above governments, above everything... But they're still not the one's in control. This "Company", however, have control over everything, even science... Or I should say, what science reveals to us.

Real science is amazing, mostly theory but amazing. Science Theory, like the unknown, is all theory. And I agree with a lot of what Splosives says, and it's a great way to live! I just stumbled across things that I couldn't ignore... And I fell down that hole along time ago and I believe some strange stuff, but I'm not telling everyone that it's the truth, I guess it's the truth to me, but I'm just me and I'm just giving y'all something to read

And Aliens is a great subject none the less!

Check out the link though...

-splosives- · Post by **-splosives-** » Tue Dec 04, 2012 12:14 pm

From post: 150238, Topic: tid=10049, author=Apo Dominus wrote:
I don't believe in science lol, I have reason, I sorta think that there's a "Company" perhaps, above law, above governments, above everything... But they're still not the one's in control. This "Company", however, have control over everything, even science... Or I should say, what science reveals to us.

Like I said before. One does not "believe in science". Science is not a religion. You can, however, not believe what they tell you.
I have worked with a lot of scientists in the university of Antwerp, some even are my closest friends. And I can assure you, there is no above law above government shenanigans going on there.
If you want to know what science is doing today, you just have to look further than what gets handed to you.

Apo Dominus · Post by **Apo Dominus** » Tue Dec 04, 2012 2:26 pm

Yeah, it's the same with the kind stuff I'm talking about... If you want to know about it, you just have to... same as what you said

Awesome that you worked with scientists! I bet if they found something unbelievable they'd have people that don't exist making them keep that information.

Example of this is the Baltic Sea Anomaly. The Sea crew say that NO GOVERNMENTS or anything have knocked on there door about it... They have had Emails of people claiming to be government, and giving them BS, basically.

So the same thing.

But, at the same time, they have signed a contract with a "Promotional Company" they didn't give the name, so that anything they find with the object in the Baltic Sea has to go through them before they release it... Weird coincidence.

So maybe that would happen, something discreet would probably stop them releasing certain information. It happens.

The US Military, in 1947, released the press satement in the Roswell paper (forgot the name) about the UFO Flying Saucer that crashed in the desert found by a rancher... The day after ( when they realised how insane this actually was ) they decided the weather balloon BS... Somebody stopped them, again? Then 50 years down the line some of them said "yeah ok UFO. with 4 bodies..." That's nothing though really, you should see what Russia have... And what the Hitler DID. And what Brazil go through... Antartica... So much crazy stuff... Hidden from mainstream media.

And yeah, Don't believe in what they tell me... I shouldn't say I don't believe everything they say, ofcourse the human race have worked out a few things themselves... Some of it is most likely wrong, unfortunately. hehe.

Major Grubert · Post by **Major Grubert** » Tue Dec 04, 2012 3:22 pm

we are just same peeps has in last 100.000 years, we need myths, our brain cant survive without "hope"

read the bible and you'll find story's even crazier than all your youtube channels put together, but century's ago those story where only pure reality, that's all

now peoples find their own "hope" myth on the Internet, some old one are still active, bible is still present, as other books or guides or recipes or temples, whatever... so you really can make your own "hope" recipe, little bit of vegan food, little bit of ufo stuff, little bit of 11/9 plot, little bit of Apple, hell yeah, check all this, ad some girls and video streaming 24/24 available... great... everybody gonna like it

dunno

you should look at "Invader Zim" cartoon, this thread make me strongly think about Dib character:)

Maarschalk · Post by **Maarschalk** » Tue Dec 04, 2012 4:00 pm

The real question is: Is the knowledge and proof we are discovering of the exsistance of Extra Terrestial Inteligent Beeings going to make a difference/change in the Creators(God's) Plan?........

Apo Dominus · Post by **Apo Dominus** » Wed Dec 05, 2012 8:02 am

God is an alien

The Bible tells of the fallen angels and people with Xmen wicked powers, and Satan... About how God burnt the Planet out! About men who can part SEAS, about MEN WHO CAM BACK TO LIFE... About Giants in the Earth, How people were all created EQUAL and in 7 days... Created. Now I believe some crazy stuff! But I'm not religious, so I don't believe in the Bible... I DIDN'T believe in the Bible...

My research led me beyond the links between the unknown and religions. Many links in the bible. (many misinterpretations) The bible tells of the Nephelim. And Nibiru. and so much more... I have had an interest in the bible for a long time. Awesome Stories YES. Stories that mixed FACTS AND FICTIONS? hmmm I don't know... The bible tells of places on the earth that are there today. The planet that god burned... Mars. Obviously

lol... eh heehhehe..... Gabriels trumpet... very loud I'd imagine! We may hear it again! Since If JESUS is to come BACK... For the second coming of the son... Well he's only been gone a year, so he'd look just the same. Free wine for all!!!

I'm just rambling now really... I can talk forever on the possibilities... And Impossibilities!

As for youtube. Youtube members post stuff on it

the videos don't come from youtube themselves, yet a lot of people frown at the evidence on youtube because... it's youtube... hehe.

It's all a conspiracy lol!