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From post: 150955, Topic: tid=10049, author=Viper wrote:Yes that were more than a couple but each one equally catching in regards to the current global situation in my opninion.

As far as Maars said about it being a test: If it is (and since I'm not religious I don't believe it is), I'm pretty sure humanity has meanwhile proven sufficiently to have failed bigtime. That said I wonder how long this 'test' is going to take, and how many lives have to be destroyed before it is considered 'complete'. Do we actually have to blow up the whole planet before we definitely failed?...

And I do wonder how a peaceful creator feels that all the bloodshed, pain, hurt, etc etc outweighs the importance of humanity passing or failing his test.

This is one of the reasons I'm not religious. My down to earth-brought up mind can't find an explanation for that. And even if there is one and I'm not seeing it, I wonder how you would explain something like that to all those people that have died or have seen their lives destroyed all for the sake of a test.

I prefer to believe that it's really simple: Technology has evolved faster than humanity (something that was also said in the video). We have the power to destroy countries and millions of lives using only one single bomb, and if we wanted we could indeed turn the entire planet inhabitable. Unfortunately humanity (or at least our leaders) has not yet evolved to a point where we can recognize and appreciate the responsibility that comes with that power. Instead we still let greed and power guide our decisions, even though we like to call ourselves an 'intelligent' and 'evolved' race... We're still just kids who cannot be trusted to play with the big toys.

Yes, I think we can definitely say that we have failed. Let's hope there's still time for a rematch.
About "Tests"

There are three kinds of categories of "Tests".
1. Tests for recognizing the Manifestations of God and recognizing the One for the time period you are living in during His predestined Dispensation!

2. Tests to see if you truly have investigated the truth for yourself or if you are just blindly following
others! Just because you say you believe is not enough, prove it through your deeds and actions that you have understood the Laws, Ordinances and Council of the Manifestations of God of the past and of the One destined for the time you are living in!(These Divine Laws, Ordinances and Councils are for the protection and to define human rights)

3. Tests and difficulties that will follow when man fails the first two categories of Tests!
The first two categories are Divinely ordained. This third category of tests is not Divinely ordained and is brought unto man by himself by failing the first two categories of "Tests"

About "Human Rights and the consequences when man fails the first two categories of tests and thus out of ignorance suffers by his own hand"

A Manifestation of God appears and gives one of the ordinances (for the protection of the human right to live and exist)"Thou shall not kill" Even before this Manifestation(Moses) was to appear the King of that time ordered every first born child in the land to be killed to prevent Moses and His laws to appear so that the King(Pharaoh) would remain the King and ruler and controller of humans!

How did the King know that Moses was to appear? He knew because it was predestined and prophesied and out of fear of losing control of his Kingdom he ordered the killing of each first born!.

Before Moses came in that land there were no human rights for the slaves or even among the royal family there was murder, betrayal adultery and stealing and the Royal family members would most often blame and kill one of the slaves for their own mistakes and corruption!

This was a Kingdom that broke the Divinely ordained laws and human rights of the Prophets(Manifestations of God) of the Past! And Moses was sent to educate the people about human rights and to free the slaves. This is just one of the many examples found from the Divinely ordained Manifestations and from Their scriptures of the past!

To say I do not believe or care about Human Rights but my own rights is selfish and is what brought the world into the current mess! It is like saying I can kill anyone I do not like or agree with when you are the one that is wrong and ignorant of certain facts!

Someone once asked Bahá'u'lláh: "What is the difference between Paradise and Hell?"
And His answer was: "Paradise is Union with Me and Hell is thy own self!"

The Human Right issue is an important issue for a Venus like Project to Work and so is a Just World Government Body that is elected by secret ballot(No campaigning or party politics) from all the peoples of the World!

The elected members need to be humble and very selfless and have only the well being of all the people in the world in their mind and follow the Divinely Ordained laws and Councils of the Manifestation for the time of the Manifestations preordained Dispensation! And these elected members to the World Government need to be able to pass the first two categories of the above mentioned "Tests"

And these are the questions of the test for recognizing the Manifestation(God's Words) for the age or century they are living in they must be able to answer!

Who? Who are the True Divine ones who fortold the coming of the next Messenger/Manifestation/Prophet/Son/Teacher/ Educator of Mankind?

Which? Which is the current Divinely Predestined Ordained One for the age we are living in and does he meet the criteria of the Previous Ones?

Where? Where will they appear and come from? (Always in the place where they are most needed, where Human Rights are grossly being violated!)

When? When will they appear? (Always at a predestined time when man has reached a certain stage in its spiritual development)

What? What is Their purpose and what new Teachings do they bring? (Moses brought the ten Commandments, Jesus thought us the relationship between a Father and Son, Mohammed thought us how to become a unified Nation, Bahá'u'lláh for this age and His Dispensation brings us the Promise and Teachings for World Peace)

Why? Why do they come knowing that they will be sacrificed, killed, beheaded, executed, poisoned, martyred and imprisoned? (Because out of God's Love for His Creation and His will) "O son of man, I loved thy creation, hence I created thee have engraved on thee My image and revealed to thee my Beauty"

How? How will They achieve Their goals and how will we be able to recognize the True Divinely Ordained Manifestations of God for the Dispensation we are living in? By Their Divinely Inspired Words, Deeds and Actions. Through honest selfless independent open minded investigation of the Truth of Their Claims and Their Messages!
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:o My wife begs to disagree. As a language instructor, she insists that there is one other kind of test. And, if you don't pass it, you don't graduate.
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Truly a fascinating thread, thank you all. I've enjoyed reading it and considering the opinions and beliefs.
I myself believe (brought up Baptist Christian mind you) that our 'divine creator' comes from the stars. Heaven indeed! I'm seriously rooting for Curiosity to discover human remains or artifacts on Mars, and totally blow religion and science out of the water. Then how cool, we get to start over!! :-P
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From post: 151461, Topic: tid=10049, author=Marvin wrote::o My wife begs to disagree. As a language instructor, she insists that there is one other kind of test. And, if you don't pass it, you don't graduate.
LOL....Marv. This Test your wife is talking about is an important one!.....And belongs to education! We need Language to communicate and be able to read and write and understand writen and spoken language before we can past any Test! That is why education in usefull languages, arts and sciences has been mandated and inspired by all the Manifestations of the Past and Present! .....;):P:cool:
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:cool: Spoken like a true master of at least two languages.
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From post: 151485, Topic: tid=10049, author=Schmidtrock wrote:Truly a fascinating thread, thank you all. I've enjoyed reading it and considering the opinions and beliefs.
I myself believe (brought up Baptist Christian mind you) that our 'divine creator' comes from the stars. Heaven indeed! I'm seriously rooting for Curiosity to discover human remains or artifacts on Mars, and totally blow religion and science out of the water. Then how cool, we get to start over!! :-P
It would not necessarily blow religion and science out of the water!

According to the Scriptures man has always existed in one form or another always destined to become the man as we see him today and will see in the future. Here I'm talking about his physical appearance. A man without an educated and evolved spirit is like dead even if he was roaming on another Planet in another physical form billions of years ago. Planet Earth however has not always existed!

The Creation of Man spoken of in all of the Holy Scriptures(Not only the Bible) tell all a similar what seems to be a Mythical/Fantasy Story!

These Stories are about the Spiritual Creation of the Human Soul.

The physical appearance of the body of man has always existed in one form or another always destined to become the recipient/carrier of the Human Soul which comes into being according to all religions at the moment of conception and is immortal.

The uneducated, uncultivated and un nurtured Soul compared relatively to an Educated, Cultivated and Nurtured Soul is Like the difference between Dead and Alive, Hell and Paradise, Disunity and Unity.

The Story of the Creation of Adam is more a Story of the Creation and coming to life and Discovery by Man of the existence of the Human Soul(In many scriptures the Soul has the form of a Woman like in the Bible Eve). Adam the first one to discover His Soul and the First Soul to be Tested by His Creator!

If we create a Robot in our image and call him Adam and we give it a program and call the program Eve we are going to test the Robot Adam and the Program Eve at some point to see if it works as intended!

The Human Soul is the only one that gives man his free will. Without the Human Soul man would not have free will but would be like an animal subject to his own selfish need and desire for survival at the cost of his fellow man.

Now God went to test the Free Will of the Human Soul He had created by giving Adam a test. The Test of obedience to not Eat from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.
This was a test to see if the Free Will of man was working!

He Failed the test of obedience but he passed the test that he has free will. By being disobedient he ate from the Knowledge of the Tree of Good and Evil and acquired the knowledge to distinguish Good from Evil, Obedience from Disobedience!

Now He was ready to go out from Paradise to gain more knowledge and learning to grow and develop to become what His Creator had intended Him to become!

So to make a long Story Short, It is very well possible that we came from another planet without having to shoot religion and science out of the water!....;):cool:
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Yeah Maars! I can agree with being from another planet as weird as it may sound...

And what a shame the world didn't end yesterday... Well it's to be expected... End of the Mayan Calender would be NEXT YEAR if they counted the year... 0

lol

Being from another planet, maybe the one that comes round every 3,600 years or so? :) But I reckon Mars. Or Venus?

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The world didn't end? what a shock! :o
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From post: 152628, Topic: tid=10049, author=Apo Dominus wrote:Yeah Maars! I can agree with being from another planet as weird as it may sound...

And what a shame the world didn't end yesterday... Well it's to be expected... End of the Mayan Calender would be NEXT YEAR if they counted the year... 0

lol

Being from another planet, maybe the one that comes round every 3,600 years or so? :) But I reckon Mars. Or Venus?

WHO KNOWS? Hogan knows best and so does Brooke... But who really knows??? Isn't it impossible to really know...?
There is a distinction between the Impossible and the Unknown!
An Unknown can become Known through Comprehension and Knowledge and investigation of the facts through the Arts, Religion and Sciences. An Impossible Unknown does not exist, for you can not say that an Unknown is Possible or Impossible, it is Unknown. Something that is Known can be given the distinction of Possible or Impossible.

Example: We know if we put a stone on a solid table it will not fall through the table by it self, this is impossible for it to fall through the table by itself under standard conditions! This is a known fact. We know that we can make it fall through the table by changing some of the standard conditions. At first the standard conditions to change to make the stone fall through the table are unknown! Through investigation and experimentation with the change of some of the conditions, the unknown of how to make the stone fall through the table becomes known!

If you want to know the facts behind the story of the creation of a master piece of a painting or a musical master piece, You will go to the source, the Artist/Composer to get a deeper and more complete understanding of the facts about these Masters and their works!.......;):cool:

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From post: 152639, Topic: tid=10049, author=-splosives- wrote:The world didn't end? what a shock! :o
Was no shock to me!......But in a way the world as we knew it 200 years ago has changed and come to an end and a new one has been build! The world as it was 200 years ago does not exist any more! There might be some places that have not changed but overall the world is a different place for most people compared to 200 years ago!.....If some one was abducted by aliens 200 years ago and was brought back today he would not recognize this planet or his home town...;):P:cool:
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Since when did the world of 200 years ago come to an end? I'm still a descendant of somebody that lived then.
Change in the world isn't quantised, it is continuous. So saying today the world has changed into a different one is meaningless, because it changes every second.
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From post: 152710, Topic: tid=10049, author=-splosives- wrote:Since when did the world of 200 years ago come to an end? I'm still a descendant of somebody that lived then.
Change in the world isn't quantised, it is continuous. So saying today the world has changed into a different one is meaningless, because it changes every second.
End does not necessarily mean destruction, it can mean a new beginning. When a Child is conceived it grows for 9 months in the womb of its mother, then the pregnancy comes to an end and the child starts a new beginning. The world of the womb is not destroyed but goes back to prepare itself for the possibility of a new pregnancy if the mother so desires!

So is the continuation of the Soul, after Death of the physical body, eternally! We speak of the End of a Day at sunset and the beginning of a new one at sunrise. That does not mean the world of yesterday was destroyed, no, it just changed to today a new day!

All I'm saying here is the interpretation of the End of the World as mentioned in the Holy Scriptures, is not Destruction of the World but a Radical Change as the Dawning of a new Age!...
We know that the Earth at some point, when our sun goes super nova, will be destroyed, but that is beyond the relative reality of the time frame we are talking about here in reference to the Armageddon/Apocalypse mentioned in the Holy Scriptures.....;):cool:





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