Marvin's Log

[Maarschalk]

Originally posted by alpha45

Don’t be such a clever dicky.

Light years may be the measurement of distance but they also have another advantage – they help you determine AGE. The exact number of light years was not specified but from the word ‘years’ you may presume many. I’m sure you can work it out – (rolls eyes upwards and tuts)

Eh? That's one heck of a word salad. I presume you're trying to say how scientists distance in lightyears to help measure age? Actually, they use it to guess how old the image is. For example, if you took a photo of Andromeda from here, the photo would be of Andromeda 2,500,000 years ago. Since Andromeda is 2,500,000 lightyears away, it takes 2,500,000 years for the light to reach us. So all our current pictures are pretty outdated. Andromeda could get destroyed today, and we'd never see it happen until the year 2,500,2010 AD.

Let me make a point (or rather, two)

1. This has absolutely nothing to do with your claim about the Vonari being assimilated "lightyears" ago (and there's no way you could link them)

2. You specifically said "light years ago" which specifically refers to lightyears as a measurement of time, not distance, so stop trying to weasel out of it.

I will be a clever dicky, so there!

First of all a dicky's you know what has no brain and acts without thinking so it can not be clever.....LOL....:P:P:P:P

Second of all light years is for measuring distance and you can not callculate the age of something by knowing it's distance in light years. The only thing you can conclude is that it existed at least that many years ago but not it's actual age. Third of all Carbon dating is one of the more precise ways for measuring age.......

Geeeeeez, do I have to educate every one about Religion, Sience and Biology?.... LOL....:P:P:P:P

[49rTbird]

English, however will be handled by "Spell Check" (lol).

[Maarschalk]

Originally posted by thetiebers
English, however will be handled by "Spell Check" (lol).

Yes, my American is better then my English and my Dutch has become terrible to....LOL...Hahahaha....!

[8of4]

Originally posted by Maarschalk

First of all a dicky's you know what has no brain and acts without thinking so it can not be clever.....LOL....:P:P:P:P

Second of all light years is for measuring distance and you can not callculate the age of something by knowing it's distance in light years. The only thing you can conclude is that it existed at least that many years ago but not it's actual age. Third of all Carbon dating is one of the more precise ways for measuring age.......

Geeeeeez, do I have to educate every one about Religion, Sience and Biology?.... LOL....:P:P:P:P [/quote]

You still don’t get it do you?
No wonder the Romulan calls you muchtalk.

Look, see if you can answer this question – it might help you.

The question is: If it’s my birthday today, and I was born 21 light-years ago, how old am I?

If you can work that out, transpose your answer methodology to my post in response to Alpha45 (my biggest fan) and you may just see the light.

Ok now, that’s it. I don’t want to hear another word on the subject of light-years from either of you two wonnabe know-it-alls.

[Bossk]

What with me being a Lizard and all, smart may not be a word you think of when you think of me, strong, mean, dangerous....etc, but not smart. However, me thinks that my little brain knows what 23of6 is on about, and it is rather simple when you finks about it.

Bossk

[Maarschalk]

Originally posted by 8of4

Originally posted by Maarschalk

First of all a dicky's you know what has no brain and acts without thinking so it can not be clever.....LOL....:P:P:P:P

Second of all light years is for measuring distance and you can not callculate the age of something by knowing it's distance in light years. The only thing you can conclude is that it existed at least that many years ago but not it's actual age. Third of all Carbon dating is one of the more precise ways for measuring age.......

Geeeeeez, do I have to educate every one about Religion, Sience and Biology?.... LOL....:P:P:P:P

You still don’t get it do you?
No wonder the Romulan calls you muchtalk.

Look, see if you can answer this question – it might help you.

The question is: If it’s my birthday today, and I was born 21 light-years ago, how old am I?

If you can work that out, transpose your answer methodology to my post in response to Alpha45 (my biggest fan) and you may just see the light.

Ok now, that’s it. I don’t want to hear another word on the subject of light-years from either of you two wonnabe know-it-alls. [/quote]

If you mention a specific event that happened a specific amount of light years then you can conclude the time of the event or age of the event. But without a specific event like a birthday like the assimilation of vonari light years ago you can not get an age of that event or from when the Vonari came in to being.......:P:P:P:P

I still wonder what Borgers taste like...I'll get you well done.....LOL....:P:P:P:P

[Admiral Sindari]

Originally posted by 8of4
You still don’t get it do you?
No wonder the Romulan calls you muchtalk.

Romulan does indeed call him MuchTalk - but that is between him and Romulan. You must find your own pet name for him.

However, although Muchtalk doesn't get it, I can see what you are saying - very clever.

HAIL ROMULAN!

[Maarschalk]

Originally posted by Admiral Sindari

Originally posted by 8of4
You still don’t get it do you?
No wonder the Romulan calls you muchtalk.

Romulan does indeed call him MuchTalk - but that is between him and Romulan. You must find your own pet name for him.

However, although Muchtalk doesn't get it, I can see what you are saying - very clever.

HAIL ROMULAN!

I do get it... Actually a lightyear is a measurement of velocity
not of age nor of distance. It is the distance light travels per year like the distance in miles a car travels per hour hence you get the velocity of MpH. This can be used to measure the length of an event if you have the specific time of the beggining of the event....but without that specific time you have an unspecified length or age of the event.....Yeh, yeh,yeh, I talk to much.......:P:P:P:P

[Marvin]

Originally posted by Maarschalk

This can be used to measure the length of an event if you have the specific time of the beggining of the event....

Nice one, Maars. Now that I think on it, the Kessel Run was probably measured in parsecs (as opposed to light years) ... but the principle is still the same. The "Run" wasn't the amount of time it took to go a specified distance; it was how far the Falcon could travel in a given amount of time ... allowing for temporal distortion as a result of entering and exiting hyperspace.

[Maarschalk]

Yes, excactly but for the temporal distortions to happen and to be able to enter hyperspace you have to break the lightspeed barier and when you do all measurements are irrelevant and can not be measured by any one onboard the craft or any one observing the craft since the enter point and exit point from hyperspace are to far apart for an outside observer to be able to see that distance.....and find the exit point....:P:P:P:P

[alpha45]

Actually, lightyear is only determined by the distance traveled by light in a year. It's used in the same way as meters or kilometers, only on a bigger scale (btw, around 10 trillion kilometers). The speed of light was used as a base to create this unit. It isn't a measurement of speed itself.

Read the first sentence:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light-year

I win.

[Edited on 4-2-2010 by alpha45]

[MMaggio]

SHEESH guys! Get a life!;)

[Maarschalk]

Originally posted by MMaggio
SHEESH guys! Get a life!;)

I have been trying to but life seems to pass me by faster then the speed of light so it is hard to catch one...:P:P:P:P

[Marvin]

Actually, a light year has more taste but is less filling. And only half the calories.

[alpha45]

Sorry MMAggio, I'm like that on forums. Either I'm right or everyone dies in nuclear fire. It's just the way I am.

[Marvin]

Okay, Alpha, let’s see if you can figure this one out.

While standing on the equator, you shine a beam of light directly upward. The beam is strong enough to reach far, far out into space. At what distance will its radial velocity equal the speed of light?

Let me press the ol’ calculator button and give you a hint.

• Light travels at 186,000 miles per second (or thereabouts).
• 180,000 (mps) times 60 (seconds) times 60 (minutes) equals 669,600,000 (mph).
• The earth rotates once every 24 hours (or thereabouts).
• 669,600,000 (mph) times 24 equals 16,070,400,000 miles per day.
• The circumference of a circle is equal to 2 times pi times the radius (r).

Ergo, 2 times 3.14 (thereabouts) times the radius (r) equals 16,070,400,000

or …

r = 16,070,400,000 / (2 * 3.14) = 2,558,980,891.72 miles

Okay, I was kidding … that wasn’t the real question. The real question is this:

If you have a god’s eye view from above, looking down on the Earth, and the space surrounding the Earth for 2.6 billion miles in every direction is foggy enough to see a beam of light shining through it, what would the above beam of light look like? Would it be straight? Or, would it be curved? And, if curved, what would the curve look like? And why?

[49rTbird]

I sort of remember that gravity effects light so a curve or swirl or something like that might be seen. Keep in mind that this is coming from a senior moment type mind. Oh my head hurts.:D:mad:

[alpha45]

Originally posted by Marvin
Okay, Alpha, let’s see if you can figure this one out.

While standing on the equator, you shine a beam of light directly upward. The beam is strong enough to reach far, far out into space. At what distance will its radial velocity equal the speed of light?

Let me press the ol’ calculator button and give you a hint.

• Light travels at 186,000 miles per second (or thereabouts).
• 180,000 (mps) times 60 (seconds) times 60 (minutes) equals 669,600,000 (mph).
• The earth rotates once every 24 hours (or thereabouts).
• 669,600,000 (mph) times 24 equals 16,070,400,000 miles per day.
• The circumference of a circle is equal to 2 times pi times the radius (r).

Ergo, 2 times 3.14 (thereabouts) times the radius (r) equals 16,070,400,000

or …

r = 16,070,400,000 / (2 * 3.14) = 2,558,980,891.72 miles

Okay, I was kidding … that wasn’t the real question. The real question is this:

If you have a god’s eye view from above, looking down on the Earth, and the space surrounding the Earth for 2.6 billion miles in every direction is foggy enough to see a beam of light shining through it, what would the above beam of light look like? Would it be straight? Or, would it be curved? And, if curved, what would the curve look like? And why?

If it's going through space, there's a lot of different elements to consider, but I'll take the lazy route and say "straight".

EDIT: Assuming the beam doesn't pass near any black holes.

ANOTHER EDIT: Besides, what does that have to do with anything anyway, when I said "I'm right or everyone dies in nuclear fire" It was a joke referring to my stubbornness regarding the silly little details (see above lightyear debate)

[Edited on 4-2-2010 by alpha45]

[MMaggio]

This question sounds very familiar to me.
I think it was on an exam I took in college.
I swear I've seen this problem before...
Btw, I failed the exam in question.

[Maarschalk]

There would be no light beam. The light would be dispersed by the tiny droplets of the sphere of the 2.6 billion miles fog. You might see a rain bow and a glowing sphere but you can not see light beams in space once it leaves the sphere of fog because there are no reflective particles for light to bounce of from.....LOL.....

[Marvin]

Originally posted by Maarschalk

There would be no light beam. The light would be dispersed by the tiny droplets of the sphere of the 2.6 billion miles fog.

I'm talking about a very, very, very strong beam of coherent light. Or, if you still can't accept such a thing as a megalaserbeam, how about using a pulsar beam instead (same specifications): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulsar

See, Alpha, you can find silly little details in just about anything.

[alpha45]

Originally posted by Marvin

Originally posted by Maarschalk

There would be no light beam. The light would be dispersed by the tiny droplets of the sphere of the 2.6 billion miles fog.

I'm talking about a very, very, very strong beam of coherent light. Or, if you still can't accept such a thing as a megalaserbeam, how about using a pulsar beam instead (same specifications): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulsar

See, Alpha, you can find silly little details in just about anything.

Yeah, I know. Does that have anything to do with... um... anything? I meant that I'm one of those people who corrects people on silly little mistakes. I know it's silly, but that's how I am.

[SDWeimer]

I really hate to do this but the borg are semi right in this matter, because if something is say for instance 13 billion lightyears away that object is not only one of the oldest know things in the universe but at least or more than likely a little more than 13 billion years old for that light to have reached us in that time, but saying that it does not mean the object is still there. Why I say it is the oldest is at last check the universe is postulated to be 13 billion years old. PLEASE DON'T KILL ME FOR SIDING WITH CYBORGS. Resistance is useless indeed

[49rTbird]

13.7 Billion and counting (sort of like how many Hamburgers McDonald's has sold , lol) at least as far as we know which is not very far (lol).

[Marvin]

Funny how the universe gets billions of years older every time somebody builds a better telescope.