Questions about reputation

Koranis · Post by **Koranis** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 4:51 pm

I know I'm flooding this board with questions, sorry about that. I did read all manuals and guides written for this game, but still I have some questions. Also I hope you don't mind that I open so many new threads, I do this beacuse I don't want to mix the topics. Mods, please let me know if it's a problem. I normally don't do this

The manual states that working for a certain faction, ex. Navy, will raise its disposition towards me in the long run. What I'd like to know if it's global.

IFor example, I jump into a new system, for now it's Olympus, since I found Sapphire to boring

Since I'm an independent miner-trader, I don't do any contracts for now, so I think my rep won't raise.

I downed some guild ships though so my standing with the companies and the navy went up a little, but as soon as I jumped into the Onyx system I saw my standing with the Navy and the companies below 50%.

So the question is: if I raise my standing with the navy and companies in the Olympus system does it affect to a degree those factions in the Onyx system? Or I have to begin all over again?

thanks a lot
K.

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MMaggio · Post by **MMaggio** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 5:19 pm

Well, it's "global" in the sense of the word, but no, it does not affect your rep in other systems.

Koranis · Post by **Koranis** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 5:30 pm

Then if I work as a military pilot in the war zones, reach the rank of, let's say, captain, and then jump into a new system I could find my ranking with the Navy below 50% ? ?

MMaggio · Post by **MMaggio** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 6:57 pm

That's not the same thing! Your military ranking follows you always, but military ranking has nothing to do with "reputation" you might have in any given system.
You are confusing the two when they are entirely different.
You "reputation" within a system can be changed and made more favorable resulting in less attacks, but that does not follow you from system to system and worse, if you leave a system where you have a good rep, they will be quick to forget you. So when you return later, it will be lower.
I hope that clears up your question.

Koranis · Post by **Koranis** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 7:50 pm

Yeah, thanks. Does indpendent trading/mining affect reputation?

Another question: I have problems with activities in the Onyx system, since everyone, Navy, Guilds, Rebels and Companies want my head everytime I get near to a populated center. Each time I jump near a station at least 5 hostile vessels pop in and head straight on me.

In this situation how am I supposed to raise my standing with the military if some of them want to down me? I don't even have time to review the contracts for them because while I'm reading my future contractors are firing their missiles at my ship (docked!... and where is the station security by the way?

There should be some civilian whose lives are put in danger).

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MMaggio · Post by **MMaggio** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 8:58 pm

LOL! Well-put about the civilians, but Station protection has been discussed to death and the consensus was "no protection". The main reason was to keep players from "loitering"! You can "BUY" the station and it will offer protection, but you'll find a hot reception waiting just outside!
Now for the question. I think one of us is confusing "military" with Navy. You probably haven't even got to the point where you can fly for the real military yet. I surmise that since you are only in Onyx. You have a bit of a way to go before you get to join the real military!
So for sake of discussion we'll refer to the Navy as "Navy" and not military. That will help considerably.
Right now, you are an independent with no allegiance so everybody is after you. To change your rep takes some effort & time.
Start by taking contracts for Navy only and that will get you started. You can always "bribe" as well.
To avoid a reception party waiting for you at the station, try jumping to some empty space and wait for the reds. Then make your jump to the station, do your business and leave quickly. It will take the reds a few minutes to realize where you went.
Hope this helps! Long posts are hard on my poor fingers! Try a session of MP & find a friendly pilot to give some tips.
Good Luck!

Koranis · Post by **Koranis** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 9:26 pm

Thanks, very helpful.

But now you got me curious. Could you fill me in about the "real military"? Where are those guys?

In the war zones?

Another problem: wormholes! I crash everytime I approach them. Is there a specific way to fly through them? EDIT: no matter, I figured it out! Thanks!

Thanks in advance!

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Post by **Vice** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 9:39 pm

The 'real' military is the Alliance, a terran based military force originally from Earth with light influence in Evochron. Their primary purpose in the game is to defend Evochron from the advancing Vonari forces (upper quadrant systems). They are different from local Navy forces within individual solar systems. Yes, your military rank carries weight with Alliance carriers and stations in War Zones, giving you access to more advanced ships. Although, a high enough military rank also earns you the honor of never having to pay station docking fees in civilian space.

Another problem: wormholes! I crash everytime I approach them. Is there a specific way to fly through them?

Are you sure you're trying to enter wormholes and not blackholes? Both are in the game and black holes are much more dangerous. Some can be used to travel great distances, but it takes a very precise technique

Wormholes you can just fly into.

MMaggio · Post by **MMaggio** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 9:40 pm

LOL! My poor fingers!
Yes the real military is in the war zones and it will take you awhile to master the skill to get there! That's what makes this game so amazing! You haven't even begun to tap all the rescources this game has to offer.
As for wormholes, yes, there is a specific way to enter those and it's not for the "faint of heart"!
Again, my best suggestion for you is to join MP and ask an experienced pilot for help.
Just because it's MP doesn't mean that every player is out to get you. That comes later! LOL
On the otherhand, if you're the type that prefers to play by himself all I can tell you about wormholes is that you have to plot a jump point somewhere the other side of the opening. If I have that wrong, someone will correct me. The first person who figured it out had to do it by trial & error. But I can tell you that is not easy! But then, why should it?
Have fun!

Post by **Vice** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 9:41 pm

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|____ What he said about multiplayer, also recommended.

Koranis · Post by **Koranis** » Sat Jun 20, 2009 11:01 pm

Thanks guys. This exactly what i did: I plotted the jump exit on the other side of the blackhole... the one in the sapphire system. I exited in the talison system, then went to the talison war zone. After all battles and mining runs in the olympus system I managed to save some cash...

So now I made myself a nice Ferret. I hope the Vonari aren't to tough!

Koranis · Post by **Koranis** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 12:26 pm

What is the difference between various vonari ship models? Which is one is better, let's say, between a Vonari B and Vonari F? Is it an alphabetical order?

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MMaggio · Post by **MMaggio** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 12:29 pm

You got me on that one!:D

verbosity · Post by **verbosity** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 2:44 pm

Originally posted by Koranis
What is the difference between various vonari ship models? Which is one is better, let's say, between a Vonari B and Vonari F? Is it an alphabetical order?

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A Vonari B is a bomber class ship, its slower heavier less manoeuvrable and has more powerful weapons and more missiles.

F is for fighter, these are the smallest fastest Vonari ships, the weapons are slightly less powerful and they carry less missiles

There is also I which stands for interceptor and sits between fighter and bomber classes

Koranis · Post by **Koranis** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 6:08 pm

How could it be worth in the long run working hard to establish a good reputation in a X system if the game is about travelling throughout the entire sector? What if I am not interested in spending days of game (in realtime) just to have a good rep with the Navy of the system X without any impact on the system Y? I see no point...

Or maybe I still don't get it, sorry....

Maarschalk · Post by **Maarschalk** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 6:27 pm

Your also confusing sectors with systems. A system consists of stars, planets, stations, and hundreds or more sectors.

Evochron Map consists of about 24 Systems and RiftSpace!

Since each system is independent it is logical that it affects only the system you are in.
There are benefits to earning a good reputation in fair, moderate and hostile systems

1. You get combat experience and develop survival skills and piloting skills which you are
going to need if you want to do the quests

2. You save money when your reputation becomes good. No docking fees and you can now
trade and mine freely with out constant attacks.

3. Your status and rank increases and so does your pay for contracts and missions!

4. This is for me the most important one, a feeling of achievement after the long and hard
work of changing a system from hostile to good!

;);););)

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Koranis · Post by **Koranis** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 6:35 pm

On average, how long does it take? How many missions?

Maarschalk · Post by **Maarschalk** » Sun Jun 21, 2009 6:45 pm

I did not really pay attention to the time needed to change a system from hostile to good!

But guessing I think depending on your skills and experience about 1 to 2 hours for each reputation increase so about 3 x 1.5 hours = 4.5 hours or longer to change rep from hostile to good;)

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