Blowing up reds & effect on system reputation

Ratneck · Post by **Ratneck** » Mon May 18, 2009 5:32 pm

I've just finished up in Sapphire and decided to make the long trek to another system. I'm following the beacon quest, so I'm in "Faust" or some such right now....(in a Sabre at the third beacon I believe).

Anyhow, I came in with a low enough rep with energy and navy that they're ships are popping up red to me, and I have to pay to dock. I've read the strategy guide and I know this is entirely normal.

My problem is that I've been itching to shoot things. Lots of things. And now I've finally got targets. If I go blowing up these red "Energy" or "Navy" ships, am I going to further hurt my reputation in the system even though they're the hostile ones (shooting at me first)? If so, how far along do I have to get before I can start shooting at pirates and "clan" members?

matthewfarmery · Post by **matthewfarmery** » Mon May 18, 2009 5:39 pm

you need to dock at a station and accept missions to kill guild or rebel faction ships, as they are enemy to energy and navy as well as miners, as for clan members, you need to be online for that,

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I would go to Olympus Prime instead, its a safer system, and good for practice, after that it does get harder

[Edited on 5-18-2009 by matthewfarmery]

Maarschalk · Post by **Maarschalk** » Mon May 18, 2009 5:59 pm

To change your rep to your favour with navy, energy, and miners there are two ways. 1. Kill any red guild or rebel 2. Accept contracts to do so!;)

If you have destroyed plenty rebels and guilds, the navy, energy and miners will turn yellow and then green!;)

Ratneck · Post by **Ratneck** » Mon May 18, 2009 5:59 pm

Safe is most definitely not fun though. :-) I can blow up the reds (so long as there aren't more then 2 or 3) that I run into in this system....and I kept a profile from before I started randomly shooting them, but my real concern is if I can shoot at them and not lose any system reputation.....

Additionally, I suppose, I assume my reputation doesn't carry from system to system? I had a 100 (or a 92 or some other such) with Energy in Sapphire, and that didn't carry over, so if I kill my rep in this system it'll only effect me here, right?

Originally posted by matthewfarmery
you need to dock at a station and accept missions to kill guild or rebel faction ships, as they are enemy to energy and navy as well as miners, as for clan members, you need to be online for that,

edit

I would go to Olympus Prime instead, its a safer system, and good for practice, after that it does get harder

[Edited on 5-18-2009 by matthewfarmery]

Maarschalk · Post by **Maarschalk** » Mon May 18, 2009 6:02 pm

Yes it only affects your rep in the system you are in!

Ratneck · Post by **Ratneck** » Mon May 18, 2009 6:03 pm

Originally posted by Maarschalk
To change your rep to your favour with navy, energy, and miners there are two ways. 1. Kill any red guild or rebel 2. Accept contracts to do so!;)

If you have destroyed plenty rebels and guilds, the navy, energy and miners will turn yellow and then green!;)

But do I lose rep with Energy and Navy for killing their ships that are red to me?

I haven't gotten to dock yet, I've only got 6,000 credits and it's gonna cost me 20K. I mined platinum while I made dinner to get the rest of the cash....but I can't afford to dock and sell it to pay for the docking. lol So I have to go back to sapphire and sell it so I can come back again and get a contract. oh well. :-)

Maarschalk · Post by **Maarschalk** » Mon May 18, 2009 6:11 pm

Mine for platinum in Saphire and sell Platinum in Saphire at Rivoch station for max profit in safe system!

I think you do lose reputation for killing red navy, energy or miners and guild and rebels will become your yellow and green friends!

warsign · Post by **warsign** » Tue May 19, 2009 8:06 am

I think I will not understand the whole reputation thing in systems.
I have no hope!

Maarschalk · Post by **Maarschalk** » Tue May 19, 2009 5:59 pm

Originally posted by warsign
I think I will not understand the whole reputation thing in systems.
I have no hope!

All you need to know to get and keep your reputation good is Kill all the Rebels and Guild! And the rest will all turn Green
when reputation is good. The Vonari is a different story, no reputation change no gain for military rank killing Vonari. acctualy I do not think killing Vonari count for anything other than fighting a war!LOL:P:P:P

Storm · Post by **Storm** » Tue May 19, 2009 7:12 pm

(Maarschalk) Killing Vonari will count for something... according to the documentation, 1 point towards *civilian* rank for every 10 "hostile" ships you destroy. So it isn't futile... (and its fun). I just pretend that they are all relatives of a certain politician... (Take THAT, "Steve"!)

Actually, I think the documentation needs some minor fine tuning... it should probably say 1 point for every 10 ships destroyed, I DON'T think it matters if they started out as yellows or greens.

Maarschalk · Post by **Maarschalk** » Tue May 19, 2009 8:11 pm

Originally posted by Storm
(Maarschalk) Killing Vonari will count for something... according to the documentation, 1 point towards *civilian* rank for every 10 "hostile" ships you destroy. So it isn't futile... (and its fun). I just pretend that they are all relatives of a certain politician... (Take THAT, "Steve"!)

Actually, I think the documentation needs some minor fine tuning... it should probably say 1 point for every 10 ships destroyed, I DON'T think it matters if they started out as yellows or greens.

I do not know if this is true, I have been killing a lot of Vonari and did not get any increase in any rank for Vonari killed since killing Vonari does not affect your reputation it might not affect your Civillian rank either, But maybe Vice can shed some light on this!;)

Post by **Vice** » Tue May 19, 2009 9:15 pm

Vonari ships do give you rating credit for your civilian rank, same 1:1 scoring as with other hostile ships.

Maarschalk · Post by **Maarschalk** » Tue May 19, 2009 10:08 pm

Thanks for the clarification Vice!;)

Storm · Post by **Storm** » Wed May 20, 2009 5:08 am

Originally posted by Eclipse
Originally posted by Storm
Actually, I think the documentation needs some minor fine tuning... it should probably say 1 point for every 10 ships destroyed, I DON'T think it matters if they started out as yellows or greens.
It is possible to destroy ships while they are not hostile.
I like to have fun with torpedoes once in a while, when I 'nuke' a cluster of low and medium threat level ships there is no point accumulation. Some missiles can destroy a ship with a single hit, these do not count if the ship is green or yellow when it is ventilated.

When you fire on a green or yellow ship with cannons or low-powered missiles, that ship generally turns red. That ship is then hostile when it is destroyed, so the docs are just fine the way they are.

I thought that might be the case... I posted / query'd about this before (I forget which thread... maybe 2-3 weeks ago?), never got a response.

Maarschalk · Post by **Maarschalk** » Wed May 20, 2009 8:41 pm

Originally posted by Storm
Originally posted by Eclipse
Originally posted by Storm
Actually, I think the documentation needs some minor fine tuning... it should probably say 1 point for every 10 ships destroyed, I DON'T think it matters if they started out as yellows or greens.
It is possible to destroy ships while they are not hostile.
I like to have fun with torpedoes once in a while, when I 'nuke' a cluster of low and medium threat level ships there is no point accumulation. Some missiles can destroy a ship with a single hit, these do not count if the ship is green or yellow when it is ventilated.

When you fire on a green or yellow ship with cannons or low-powered missiles, that ship generally turns red. That ship is then hostile when it is destroyed, so the docs are just fine the way they are.
I thought that might be the case... I posted / query'd about this before (I forget which thread... maybe 2-3 weeks ago?), never got a response.

So if I understand this correctly you get points towards Civillian rank for any ship destroyed with guns and cannons since the yellow and green become red meaning hostile when fired upon and then destroyed?

I know this will change your reputation and I thought reputation was also part of the equation for Civillian rank!

[Edited on 5-20-2009 by Maarschalk]

Storm · Post by **Storm** » Thu May 21, 2009 6:18 am

(Maarschalk);

Reputation is NOT part of the equation for civilian rank. (as far as I can tell... if it is, it is one of those "minor unspecified 'other' factors")

When I entered a Hostile/Moderate/Fair system with the intent to stay for a while... to boost the system rep to Good... quite often I pre-installed a larger fuel tank (sacrificing wing factor and cargo space)... and before I even docked for the first time, I would fly from base to base to asteroid field to nebula (all the major navpoints)... close to planets... and destroy Rebel and Guild ships, *including* the greens and yellows. I paid attention as I was doing this... besides improving rep, it DID improve civilian rating. BUT I rarely destroyed a ship using "just one shot" (unless it was already shot up by someone else).

(edit) the main reason for doing it this way is that I noticed that the better the reputation, the lower the price for docking fees and / or station licenses (end edit)

The documentation specifies one point (towards civilian rating) for every 10 hostile ships destroyed. Of course, if you fire on them, they BECOME hostile, and they are in a hostile state when they are destroyed, so that counts.

Eclipse sheds some light on this... apparantly if you manage to destroy them BEFORE they can become hostile towards you, they DON'T count towards your rating. I suspected that might be the case, but wasn't sure.

[Edited on 5-21-2009 by Storm]

berighteous · Post by **berighteous** » Fri May 22, 2009 12:30 am

I don't care about reputation - kill every red and the people who move into the sector to replace them will like you/respect you/fear you.

I often invade hostile systems and spend hours destroying every red that challenges me. Next time I come back I'm green with everybody that matters. I spend whole days blowing the hell out of a system and conquer it station by station, planet by planet.

Maarschalk · Post by **Maarschalk** » Fri May 22, 2009 3:10 am

Originally posted by berighteous
I don't care about reputation - kill every red and the people who move into the sector to replace them will like you/respect you/fear you.

I often invade hostile systems and spend hours destroying every red that challenges me. Next time I come back I'm green with everybody that matters. I spend whole days blowing the hell out of a system and conquer it station by station, planet by planet.

Yup, that is what I did pacify them all so I can concentrate on my wabbit hunting!LOL:P:P:P