could you reach the Edge of the universe? /(SPOILER DISCUSSION)

[XenoBear]

I heard that the EL universe is 40,000 sectors in Diameter, so if someone had the means to fly without the concern of fuel. (they can place refueling Stations as needed) is there and edge to the universe? Does it just loop?

[YaroslavUSSR]

I also want to ask if it is ACTUALLY possible to take a shot at such journey. I know that you can do such flight in Evochron Mercenary. At least DaveK did it (he described it in short stories collection). But in EM you need only 3 thungs: money, money, deploy constructor. With billions of credits and deploy constructor you can deploy fuel processor everywhere. But in EL you need metal ore, a star or a nebulae, deploy constructor. In deep space nobody can guaranty that you find 2 first components of this equation.

[XenoBear]

If you had a Mantis Drive it would be 4000 Jumps. jumping takes about 30 secs so 4000x30 which is 120,000 which is about 33.333_ hours. I need to figure how many jumps a ship could make at max before refilling. As well as how much Cargo space a ship could have while also having max fuel capacity. and than Divide 4000 by the amount of jumps it can make before refilling. with that number I multiply that by the amount of Metal needed per refueling Station. and that should give me the amount of Metal needed for such a trip. while also telling me what capacity of cargo and fuel I would need. (I just did this in my head so the math may be off)

[Marvin]

Keep in mind that the 4000 jumps is only accurate when flying cardinal headings. Otherwise, even with a Mantis drive you could find yourself jumping only 9 sectors at a time.

[YaroslavUSSR]

All right, let's do some calculations. You have to fly 40000 sectors. With MD capable to jump 10 sectors it takes 4000 jumps. For 10 sectors MD consumes 10 units of fuel, so you need 40000 units of fuel. The ultimate tank is 4000 units. Thus you need to refuel 10 times flying in one direction and 10 times for returning to charted system e.g. Lost Rucker. Not very much, but nobody can ensure that you find star or nebulae to deploy fuel processor and asteroid field to fill up your metal. Otherwise you will be lost in deep and empty space.

[XenoBear]

Alright now we just need to know if you can have the maximum 4000 fuel while also having some Cargo bays, also How much metal a station takes to build. Or how much material you would need for a refueling station.

[DaveK]

You can try but there are a few things that you need to keep in mind.

In EM, I travelled 300K sectors eastwards fro Sapphire fly / refuel repeated for a long time (three weeks of game time ... chatting on MP was fun though. IN EL as in EM beyond around 20K sectors you can't build a station to refuel in, but in EM you could deploy a fuel processor that used your ship's energy supply to create fuel. In EL you need a star or a nebula to create fuel with a deployed fuel processor.

In EM there was a special 'go anywhere instantly' thingy (Maarschalk had one) but access to it was related to actually landing in one piece on Earth. An adventure in itself.

You can get your ship up to around 10K (max speed) and go inertial - but leaving your system running when you go on holiday would be good.

So it's not as straightforward in EL as it was in EM, but that's not to say it can't be done. There were certainly some weird phenomena to study way out in the black. I blogged my adventures in the fan fiction forum.

[matchbox2022]

What was the weirdest phenomena? .....and any tips for landing on earth then? Wonder if that's still around in EL.

[XenoBear]

I just visited Earth and Idk how you would land on it. Also I don't think we should get to far into that topic so that this can be a spoiler free post. :p

[matchbox2022]

how on earth do you get to ... earth? I know of riftspace but how do you land it? Anyone?

[XenoBear]

I have no Idea, i'm on my 4th hour of trying. CX

[Arei]

If I am not mistaken, Earth landing (in one piece) is pretty much the only taboo in the Evochron community: the biggest secret one must not tell anybody, even in private.
I've always thought it was more of an easter egg; winning the right to brag you landed there in one piece, but now there is that small bomb DaveK dropped... and my goal to obtain every piece of available technology. \o/

There will be long nights with not much sleep. ^^'

[DaveK]

Actually Maars posted about it on line a couple of years ago, along with a couple of (non?) hints about landing on Earth. You are correct though - those that succeed are sworn to secrecy (on pain of a lot of grief and pain ) about Earth and what he discovered there. Everytime I reached a milestone (100K - 200K - 250K - 300K) he posted a screenie showing that he had gone a few hundred sectors further!!

There are many things waiting to be discovered in many categories! Or so I've been told

[Marvin]

IIRC, somebody posted a video not long after Legacy's release ... showing an approach and landing on Earth. I examined the video carefully but could never duplicate the feat.

[Arei]

IIRC, somebody posted a video not long after Legacy's release ... showing an approach and landing on Earth. I examined the video carefully but could never duplicate the feat.

To be frank I did exactly the same as you, but I don't have anything more to report besides multiple humiliating deaths. ._.

[YaroslavUSSR]

The question: is this bug or feature? If it is bug then why does it exist since EM 1? If it is feature or easter egg then why only 1-2 pilots were able to solve this puzzle for so many years? Also I wonder if it was possible in Evochron Legends. Could this pilot land on Earth in Legends? I can provide my save profile. Demo is still available for download at http://www.starwraith.com/evochronlegends/downloads.htm.

[Marvin]

Maars did it in Legends, IIRC. I was on line when he succeeded by himself and then set up his son's ship so that both of them could enter Earth. But I think he also mentioned that he couldn't do it in Mercenary due to changes Vice made. My guess is there have been more changes since then, in Legacy.

[XenoBear]

I just talked with Maars and he said that it had something to do between all games Arvoch, evoch etc. I'm not sure what that would mean exactly but I assume that it would different for EL anyways.

[XenoBear]

Hey should we make a new post for all this spoiler stuff though?

[Arei]

Hey should we make a new post for all this spoiler stuff though?

Not sure about that. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I guess the main reason why it's asked to discuss about spoiler-ish stuff in detail via PM is to avoid somebody coming across a spoilers by mistake while browsing the forum (or using google), so spoiling openly here or in another thread would be the same... Also it looks like there is no spoiler tag available to minimize the impact of talking about sensitive stuff in the open. :/

I believe the conversation is fine until now, because pretty much everybody knows about the mystery of Earth landings, that a few people succeeded and the stories shrouding those successful attemps, so as long as we don't directly discuss methods it should be fine.

Regarding genuine Earth landings, we're not even sure it can be accomplished with a clean install or without exploiting a bug (there is one I can think of, but I'm too lazy to waste a couple of hours knowing the following potential landing would not be genuine ><). I remember Iron Man saying Vice confirmed genuine Earth landings are possible in all games of the series but it is not a direct confirmation from The Man himself.

[XenoBear]

Alright thanks for the Confirmation on if this was considered spoiler or not. lol I'm still pretty new to the game and really new to the forum. . I wonder if you could build a city on earth, were you to actually manage landing on it.

[YaroslavUSSR]

I wonder why does everybody avoid spoilers in this game which are not quest related (like search for TW, for example). Only imagine Urbain Le Verrier: "All right, ladies and gentlemen, I have discovered a new planet with the point of my pen, but I... DON'T TELL YOU, NO. Take your slide rules and make calculations for yourself, then try to observe it with your telescopes.

[DaveK]

I usually use a started like:

WARNING SPOILER ....

and then leave some blank lines or I change the text to the nearly the same colour as the page background so you can only see it is you select it ... like this test

That way people have the choice (if they have the willpower or more actually the won'tpower)

[Arei]

I wonder why does everybody avoid spoilers in this game which are not quest related (like search for TW, for example). Only imagine Urbain Le Verrier: "All right, ladies and gentlemen, I have discovered a new planet with the point of my pen, but I... DON'T TELL YOU, NO. Take your slide rules and make calculations for yourself, then try to observe it with your telescopes.

Because the Evochron games are filled with little secrets here and there and a lot of people enjoy the surprise of discovering them by themselves, it has nothing to do with elitism or refusal to share information. Well, except for Earth landings. ^^'

From my experience, you will always get more detailed spoilers in PM (as long as you don't ask how to land on Earth in one piece ) if you ask nicely so if you are sure you don't care about getting spoiled, there is always somebody who will gladly provide informations.

[DaveK]

You can see the negative effect of spoilers can become too accessible in how the EM Hints&Tips Guide developed over the years!. Even with attempts at 'hiding' the spoilers in it it's hard to decide whether a 'tutorial' leaks over into a spoiler.