Why can't I sell my cargo? - Evochron: Legacy

[Flashman014]

I'm sorry if this is covered somewhere else in the forum, but I'm new here and couldn't manage to find it.

In SP, I have 3 holds full of freshly mined plat. Two of them I've sold off, no problem. The third, I "primed" with a plat that I bought from the same space station, but now that it's full, I can't sell it off. It says, "Sale of cargo item rejected." That doesn't make sense to me. Even if I bought it from the station and sold it right back to them, shouldn't I be able to do that? Am I missing something here? Any help here would be greatly appreciated.

[Marvin]

I think you've already gotten the answer in another thread. If not, the reason is to prevent what would otherwise be considered an exploit. But, for the stuff you mined, you should be able to sell that part ... and if you can't, I think Vice is working on a fix.

[Flashman014]

Yeah, I got my answer, though I'm not really sure how this is an exploit if I'm taking a loss, but there are probably other factors I'm not thinking about. I trust Vice, he's been doing this way longer than me, for sure. It's true though that I couldn't sell anything from that hold, not just the one plat that bought. I'm sure if it's fixable, it will be fixed, so I'm not too worried.

[Marvin]

The problem was that you wouldn't always sell at a loss. Other factors besides your own ship contribute to price changes.

[Radikal]

Hopping out of the sector and back in seems to get the stations to buy back the items.

[Marvin]

The no-sell option exists only to keep players from sitting in a docking bay and making money without actually doing anything except buying and immediately selling commodities.

[Radikal]

The no-sell option exists only to keep players from sitting in a docking bay and making money without actually doing anything except buying and immediately selling commodities.

How do you make money that way? I always get a lower price when selling back in Mercenary, if there is a way to resell at same location and make money instead of losing it please send me a u2u spoiler.

[Marvin]

The prices aren't as dynamic in Mercenary as they are in Legacy. Wherever you're docked in Legacy, you might sell at a loss today and at a profit tomorrow.

[Misunderstood Wookie]

I still don't see how this is an exploit... If you buy from a station wait a while, and the value goes up due to other traders or the fact that demand is now higher, I should be able to sell it for the price its valued even its more than I paid for it, hardly an exploit imo more supply/ demand 101 to me. However I could be wrong about how the game treats such price changes. If I go and destroy stations or disrupt the trade flow of the neighbouring sectors this WOULD make the price rise where I got the item from in the first place no? second thing to consider here is now I did that where would I sell it considering the first station just plain says NOPE..

If the value simply diminishes or goes up due to lack of traders or lack of supply the whole exploit thing does not make sense. A commodities market shouldn't reject your offer simply because you purchased during a low period. Think of it like Real-estate I buy property while the market has crashed.. I then wait a few years and sell it when cost per square is higher the real-estate I purchased the land from still accepts the land back (yea yea terrible analogy but you get the point )

This tactic has been used in real-life economics for the longest time in fact whole wars have been started over such a tactic to purposely influence the value of a commodity in the favour of the seller.



I don't think any other trading sim rejects a trade like this just because you would sell for more than you paid for it. The only way this is an exploit in my opinion is if the values are FIXED % and always wind up selling for more than your buy price after a period of time BUT... considering this game uses a dynamic economy which can be influenced there is zero reason to call it an exploit simply because I made a quick buck when some unlucky station sold me something at just the wrong time. I think you and I both know I make a good case in favour of the OP that this certainly should not be treated an exploit.

So is this an exploit...?
Hardly!

Would it make a boring game for the player?...
Likely and probably the only reason its not allowed though that is not the developer's problem if the game becomes boring its the players choice if they choose to just play mr stockbroker.

[Edited on 2/3/2016 by Misunderstood Wookie]

[Janus]

I have to agree with the Wookie. What does the station care where it gets it's stock from? As for boring? Yeah, it could be, but if you are willing to sit there for a day in hopes you'll get a better price, that's on you. Expploit? Of course. That's what we do in business. We exploit things; and people as well, although I find it more profitable to accept a tad higher overhead and save on training costs.

[Misunderstood Wookie]

Wonder if Vice will take this into consideration during his next update, seems he plans on trying to fix a rather dupe exploit maybe he has a thought on this as well??

[Vice]

Anti-exploit efforts can often get in the way of what some may want to do. It's also why I am gauging the cargo duplication anti-exploit system carefully as it will undoubtedly have an impact on what some may expect to be able to do, exploit or not.

As for this, Marvin pointed it out:

The no-sell option exists only to keep players from sitting in a docking bay and making money without actually doing anything except buying and immediately selling commodities.

What the no immediate resell system does is prevent a player from docking at a location, then immediately selling what they bought for a higher price... then repeating until the entire station's inventory is empty. This results in no effort credits (exactly the kind of thing players would like some protection in place for, including the cargo duplication 'exploit'). So to block that action, the game (within the context of IMG trade regulations) prevents a player from immediately selling back cargo they bought, which influenced the trade value by removing it from the stations inventory (reducing supply, increasing demand, increasing value). All the player has to do is just go somewhere else to sell it. You can sell it for more than you paid for it, you just have to move to do it.

The system is just designed to prevent immediate same-point reselling for profit and encourage actually moving around to perform trades.

[CS-ACI-]

Hello,

I too have suffered from not being able to sell mined Hydrogen.

I was allowed to sell 8 bays worth out of 10.

Steve

[Vice]

Mined resources should not apply for such a restriction. I'll look into those systems and make sure the blocks are cleared for them.

[Nigel_Strange]

I have always wondered why items that I sell to a station are not available to buy again. For example, if I buy all the plat, then sell it back, the plat should be available to purchase again. Instead, it disappears.

I suppose there could be an exploit here, but on the other hand, the station sets the prices, so I would expect them to buy and sell in such a way as it is always profitable to them (hence preventing you from making money (which is the timeless preoccupation of people who have money)).

[Misunderstood Wookie]

Question, I gather there is a delay before I can re-sell to that station correct? So the system just prevents me from selling stuff I got from that particular station but if I get the same item elsewhere and go back I can sell those right? Just I have read cases where the stock from the previous station has been bundled into the rest of the new stock someone got elsewhere and it blocked all but some of it, so this makes me question if we need to automatically separate stacks of items which are not sellable so that only the sellable contents are listed and the ones which cannot be sold are marked in a colour or something to distinguish the difference.

Something for example if you have 150 of something but 50 can't be sold you will see the stack indicate exactly how many are able to be sold like xx/xxx can be sold here kind of thing.

Maybe there is already such a thing but this seems to be a pretty common topic easily solved with some simple colour coding of available vs blocked. Kind of like a bank in some ways where you have money shown but some of that has to clear yet so you see available next to it.



[Edited on 2/5/2016 by Misunderstood Wookie]

[Vice]

It's not even that aggressive in enforcement. As long as you move at least one sector, you can buy and sell whatever.

[Misunderstood Wookie]

Thanks for clarifying

[Edited on 2/5/2016 by Misunderstood Wookie]