Zero throttle sets throttle to -558

[jamzsabb]

Bought the game a few months ago and I've never been able to figure out why the backspace key doesn't set the throttle to 0. It instead sets my throttle to maximum reverse, which is -558 with the newbie ship.

Don't see any mention of this on the forum, seems to only be happening to me. Any advice on things to try?

Looks like an amazing game, but I'm having trouble controlling my speed because of this issue. Hoping to get it fixed soon, thanks for any help

[Vice]

Uncheck the full range throttle option.

[Beta_ver]

yes, and besides that, in IDS mode, remeber you can change your IDS setting to increase max limited speed (num pad 7 and 9 keys to increase/decrease IDS setting, limits max speed to a certain value, here 558 is probably the max speed in IDS 1, certainly not your ship's max speed, in IDS 5 setting you could go a lot faster, around 2500 or more probably, depending on frame/engine)
Mentioning that because I saw a new player yesterday wander around at 550 or so speeds.

[jamzsabb]

Uncheck the full range throttle option.

This will mean that I won't be able to go backward though, right? Not ideal, but will get me back in space. Thanks!

yes, and besides that, in IDS mode, remeber you can change your IDS setting to increase max limited speed (num pad 7 and 9 keys to increase/decrease IDS setting, limits max speed to a certain value, here 558 is probably the max speed in IDS 1, certainly not your ship's max speed, in IDS 5 setting you could go a lot faster, around 2500 or more probably, depending on frame/engine)
Mentioning that because I saw a new player yesterday wander around at 550 or so speeds.

Thanks for the advice, I'm gaming on the couch and have been resisting playing with mouse and keyboard as much as possible, but this game might make me buy a full size keyboard....oh well, a game being too good to ignore is a good thing I guess!

[Vice]

This will mean that I won't be able to go backward though, right? Not ideal, but will get me back in space. Thanks!

You can still fly backwards, but without full range throttle control active, you'll need to use the reverse throttle toggle control instead (which you can map to a joystick button if you want to, I do so with my X52). Then when you hold the reverse throttle toggle button, your throttle inputs will be inverse 'on the fly' so you can select reverse velocity settings. Release the button when you're ready to return to the positive throttle range only.

You can also flip off the IDS and use reverse thrusters if/when desired.

Plenty of ways/options to fly backwards in this game.

[jamzsabb]

So unchecking full range throttle works, but it means I have to use the triggers or a stick on my xbox controller as my throttle, which is not what I was doing and don't realy want to do, since it always returns to 0.

Is there any other way to get the Zero Throttle keybind to make the throttle..uh, zero?

[Vice]

Not really sure what kind of control scheme you are ultimately after, considering you don't want to use control triggers or control sticks for throttle, but disabling full axis control still doesn't provide you what you're looking for, even though the zero throttle key then selects zero.

So a more detailed description of what it is exactly you are interested in for throttle control as a whole, including devices you want to use and methods, should help others know what to suggest. Do you want to use an axis control for throttle or not? Are you trying to use key/button controls for throttle at the same time as an axis control for some reason? If no axis control is what you want and you just want to use keys/buttons, why not unbind throttle control from the axis completely?

[Beta_ver]

map a key/button to reverse throttle, uncheck full throttle range, but keep your throttle axis configured.
On your throttle axis, you then have 0 to +100%, then, when pressing the reverse key, that range becomes negative.
That works with afterburner too, you press the reverse key + afterburner, as a result you afterburn backwards, which is useful when trying to run away while shooting back at your opponent for example :-)

edit : otherwise, if what I described above does not help you, what Vice said, let us know what you want to do with what you have.

[Edited on 24-6-2015 by Beta_ver]

[whipdiddywhip]

i believe he wants full range throttle checked but the backspace key to still set velocity to 0, currently if in full range backspace sets velocity to -588 (or whatever ids x your using)

[Edited on 6-24-2015 by whipdiddywhip]

[Beta_ver]

yeah, well to go to zero just set the throttle to min then, no need to press anything else, that will stop your ship after a while.
If you have an active throttle axis in a certain position, and you press a key to set throttle to zero, then as soon as the key is released, the throttle set speed becomes active again, as not overridden anymore by the button, so if it's not 0 then your ship will start moving again.
I get what you are saying whipdiddywhip, but in my sense if you have a throttle on an axis, then you should not have buttons to override it. The choice is then full range or positive + reverse button, this provides all the needed combinations, otherwise it's like if you press the accelerator and the brake at the same time.
The set throttle to 0 is more intended for keyboard players, where no analog device is available.

[Edited on 24-6-2015 by Beta_ver]

[Vice]

Yup, best to use an axis control in that situation. I guess if he wanted some kind of temporary override control when holding a button down to override axis input for some reason, then he'd just need to use the 5 key for the midrange value of 0 in full range mode. And if he wanted to apply that to an xbox button for some reason, then it'd probably need to be done through XPadder. But that'd be kind of redundant and an undesired loss of a button function for something that's already available using a far better control mechanism. Using an axis control would be the ideal option since that applies variable control at any level selected in either throttle range mode, whether 0 or negative.

[jamzsabb]

I think Elite: Dangerous did space sim + xbox controller best, so I'm going for something similar to that, there's a good diagram here, standard HUD mode is what I'm referring to

Basically, the problem I have with setting the trigger axis to be the throttle (which is the only way I can deselect the full throttle option, right?) is that I would have to hold my finger on the trigger while doing tricky things like dogfighting, which would probably get me killed. I like my speed to be static so I can use my index fingers to fire

Thanks for the help though, I think this game is going to be amazing once I get my controls figured out.

[Vice]

I'm still uncertain on what exactly you are after and the image you provided can certainly be achieved. Maybe there's just a difference in terminology. When the term 'trigger' is applied, that usually means the forward trigger button(s) on the controller, the LT and RT buttons in the image. LB and RB could also be considered triggers and that's where the throttle is mapped in your sample image. An axis control is very different and provides variable input control rather than just static on/off input. So when you say 'trigger axis', I'm not sure if you are referring to the trigger buttons or one of the thumb axis controls.

But to map it like that sample image and to keep backspace locked to 0, you'll just need to do this:

- Make sure full range throttle is turned off in the Axis Configuration menu.

- Unbind any axis control you may have mapped to throttle control. This is done by clicking on the throttle axis indicated in the menu, then clicking on 'Clear Axis Control'. When you complete this successfully, the afterburner and full range options will disappear from the Axis Configuration menu.

- Next, open the Keyboard/Button configuration menu. Click on Page 2.

- Click on 'Throttle Up Secondary Control' then press the RB button on the Xbox controller.

- Click on 'Throttle Down Secondary Control' then press the LB button on the Xbox controller.

- You can also optionally bind the zero throttle control to one of the Xbox controller's buttons at this point if you want to.

From there, you'll have the throttle control mapped to the upper LB and RB trigger buttons, throttle will stay at whatever level you leave it at when you release the buttons, and the backspace button will set your speed to 0.

And if you want to select negative throttle values, you can set one of the controller's buttons to the reverse throttle toggle (probably the easiest and best option if you are going to use on/off buttons for throttle control). Or you can enable full range again, then use the 5 key to set throttle 0 quickly when desired. You can also map the 5 key to whatever Xbox button you might want using Xpadder, if you want to give up a controller button for that function.