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PaulB · Post by **PaulB** » Fri Apr 11, 2014 10:06 pm

Does the size of your ship make a difference in the asteroid caves?
I tried the one in Sapphire - in my Mammoth but I see to only get so far and I don't know if it's the sive of the ship or just my inability to adequately distinguish the path throughout.
Of course I tired going by the map in the Hints guide but it doesn't help much.
I've switched to Nav Console as best I can tell it seeme to show my ship icon at various "sides" of the asteroid but I can't match my flight to the Hint map.
The only exception is on the right side - I come to a kind of crack and I can see what looks like building within but I can't for the life of my wiggle my ship through or find another way in.
I've stll got an old pilot profile (the original) of the Talon or whatever that starter ship is. Should I try that? Or am I just missing the paths/turns??
Also - the Hint map being only a 2D representation - can I traverse the maze using only Yaw or do I need pitch and yaw to find the way?
My ship needs better head lights or something

Add my Navigator is not much help at all - I think he must be napping on the job.
Another anecdote - I get so lost I have to engage Auto pilot to fly me around until I get a glance of the entry of the asteroid and can then get out. I must be an imbecile.

Paul

Rubber Chicken · Post by **Rubber Chicken** » Fri Apr 11, 2014 11:06 pm

For the tight passages that seem to be impassable you might have to push real hard with the afterburner while you wriggle through. I can't say whether the size of the ship is a factor, but I've always thought so.

Post by **Marvin** » Sat Apr 12, 2014 3:02 am

Try squeezing past the station while following the main tunnel ... then turn back into what should be a slightly larger opening, toward a different docking bay.

PaulB · Post by **PaulB** » Sat Apr 12, 2014 4:22 am

From post: 168824, Topic: tid=11332, author=Marvin wrote: Try squeezing past the station while following the main tunnel ... then turn back into what should be a slightly larger opening, toward a different docking bay.

Docking bay????? What docking bay(s)?

Paul

SeeJay · Post by **SeeJay** » Sat Apr 12, 2014 6:45 am

There are more then one cave out there.

Might discover a surprize or two.

Post by **DaveK** » Sat Apr 12, 2014 10:51 am

The way I get through a 'squeeze' is to nose forwards as far as I can get and then turn sideways (90 degrees) and then use the lateral thruster to push through sideways - get the knack and it works like a dream!

picommander · Post by **picommander** » Sat Apr 12, 2014 2:08 pm

Sounds a bit esoteric, isn't it? Not that I doubt your words but a ship's length is usually greater than its width. And now the length should fit but not the width? Sounds like another Douglas Adams oddity!

Post by **Marvin** » Sat Apr 12, 2014 2:52 pm

I just plug in afterburner and let the ship slide in whatever direction it takes to squeeze through.

picommander · Post by **picommander** » Sat Apr 12, 2014 3:11 pm

I see you are NOT Marvin, the universal logic monster.

Capt_Caveman · Post by **Capt_Caveman** » Sat Apr 12, 2014 4:28 pm

ship dimensions dont matter, your ship is surounded by your shields which is a sphere.

picommander · Post by **picommander** » Sat Apr 12, 2014 4:38 pm

Doesn't explain why it only works laterally though, should work in all directions then.

Capt_Caveman · Post by **Capt_Caveman** » Sat Apr 12, 2014 4:56 pm

it does for me and i use a large ship

afterburner and random rotations around 2 or more axis always gets me thru

Rubber Chicken · Post by **Rubber Chicken** » Sat Apr 12, 2014 10:14 pm

The afterburner and wriggling around pushes the shield until it deforms enough to fit through? Just a guess...

I never had to suck in my gut and slide sideways-like to get through, just wedge the nose in and push.

[Edited on 4-12-2014 by Rubber Chicken]

Maarschalk · Post by **Maarschalk** » Sun Apr 13, 2014 5:23 pm

There are several relative techniques to squeeze through the caves crevices. I personally noticed that size does matter. But all sizes fit through using the several relative techniques.
It is a little bit harder with a bigger ship but they still can get through. The side ways technique is the easiest and takes the least effort. The After burner technique is harder and will get you through but can also get you into trouble. Than there is the combination of a little IDS thrust and side ways wiggeling with a bigger ship that makes it easier!.....

PaulB · Post by **PaulB** » Sun Apr 13, 2014 7:19 pm

From post: 168828, Topic: tid=11332, author=SeeJay wrote:There are more then one cave out there.

Might discover a surprize or two.

I realize there are more than the one asteroid cave. I was just using the one because that's the only one I've tried and I have been able to traverse it - according the the map layout and was trying to see if it was just me or was it cause I was using a Mammoth (too large).
Maybe it's both cause I have a hard time detecting some the the openings/path in there. I think Iv'e been in a left tunnel a straight ahead tunnel and a right tunnel - from the entrance - and I always seem to dead end - but my perception is lousy (and remembering course bearing - in real life too) - one turn and I'M all turned around and confused. That's why I tried following the Map.

Paul

PaulB · Post by **PaulB** » Sun Apr 13, 2014 7:24 pm

From post: 168829, Topic: tid=11332, author=DaveK wrote:The way I get through a 'squeeze' is to nose forwards as far as I can get and then turn sideways (90 degrees) and then use the lateral thruster to push through sideways - get the knack and it works like a dream!

Geez Dave - that doesn't quite make since to me since your ship (on most cases) is longer that it it wide. But I think it's the path I'm losing - the path I'm on - the rock texture started to get bigger and blurrier - indicating to me I'm at the end or missed a subtle turn or something - get my drift?
Then I start yawing, pitching (with no velocity) trying to find a path (if I do it's generally the path back the way I came).

Paul

[Edited on 4-13-2014 by PaulB]

[Edited on 4-13-2014 by PaulB]

Post by **Marvin** » Sun Apr 13, 2014 10:03 pm

If you can't find your way out, call up the nav map and set a waypoint near the entrance ... then do whatever it takes to head in that direction.

P.S. If you're wondering where the entrance would be, in reference to the cave icon on the nav map, it's always the same place.

Nigel_Strange · Post by **Nigel_Strange** » Sun Apr 13, 2014 10:55 pm

In some of the older games, you could jump in and out of asteroid caves, if you knew the exact coordinates and orientation. It was marvelous fun, though it did have a strong pucker factor.

Capt_Caveman · Post by **Capt_Caveman** » Sun Apr 13, 2014 11:10 pm

it can still be done

PaulB · Post by **PaulB** » Mon Apr 14, 2014 1:52 am

Ii used an old Talon profile - probably not relevant cause I also tried the afterburnerr thing - and got further inside and found a crate of Platinum. This is the Sapphire asteroid I'm talking about.
Is there anything else inside that I missed???

I still can't really make heads or tails of the path and more or less found the container - not quite by accident cause I saw my "improved" purple radar blip - and just kinda used the AB to make my way to it.

Paul

SeeJay · Post by **SeeJay** » Mon Apr 14, 2014 6:04 am

There is a map over the asteroid cave on my site: http://www.evochron2.junholt.se/
Check the Tools section.

Anything inside the cave should pop up as a purple blip on your radar.
Can't remember what's in that specific cave tho. Sorry.

Busch · Post by **Busch** » Mon Apr 14, 2014 6:22 am

Third confirm of leaping into and out of asteroid caves. There's usually a few select items, and other 'things', aside from the platinum you've found, in the asteroid caves that dot the known and unknown Evo-verse. The one in Sapphire is an example, an introduction if you will, to the possibilities of/for exploration. And the things you may find along the way...

Post by **Marvin** » Mon Apr 14, 2014 3:52 pm

One of the caves can be used for a "capture the flag" type scenario.

Post by **DaveK** » Mon Apr 14, 2014 8:28 pm

From post: 168908, Topic: tid=11332, author=Capt_Caveman wrote:it can still be done

In EM(original) there were several places in a cave you could jump into - even very tight ones, like the wreck. Then in an earlier version of EMII it changed so I could only jump into the main tunnel (as long as the heading was correct). Recently though I explode! - correct heading (in the sense of along the longest path) whizz through part of the tunnel slowing down then 'boom'!

I'll obviously have to do much more experimenting!

Enigma · Post by **Enigma** » Wed Jul 30, 2014 5:47 pm

Like all caves in all games, all follows the same rule, so i can say to myself :
" I'm not afraid to get in the cave, i'm more afraid of how to get out of it".

Yesterday i drive/fly in the cave in Saphire (start sector), looted some "Fusion_xy" and then "fool arround" about 1/4 h to get out of the cave.

Damn ~1/4 hour to get out of the cave, i remember when reading the legent of the Labirinth, about Ariadne who helped Theseus to find his way back out of the Labirinth, after killing the Minotaurus.
Yesterday i could have need a "helping_hand" from Ariadne to.