Fulcrum Suicide! Fulcrums Safety Feature is needed!

[Viper]

I am growing more and more worried that the changes applied to the FT's/StatDets/Proxy Mines due to the sudden complaints from the community, will in the end hurt RP more than it will help it, and we will all regret it afterwards.

I just wanted to get that off my chest.

[-splosives-]

That will only happen if Vice makes the wrong decisions.

[KingArthur]

VICE. I Ask You To Leave the FT AS IS and But an End to this "Discussion".

[DaveK]

But THEY DO STAND OUT, DON'T THEY.

They certainly do!

hmmmm . . . what am I doing wrong?

[DaveK]

The Purpose of FTs was never to counter act SDs. This was just a coincident discovery that they could be used as such and so Clans started using them as an easy way to protect their Stations!. The purpose of FTs is MASS DESTRUCTION!

Protecting Stations should not be easy by use of Weapons of Mass Destruction in this Case FTs!

If anything FTs should be able to Damage a Station instead of just destroying the SDs!

The FTs are still usefull for other things other than trade, they can still be used against AIs for a quick combat mission completion or if your surrounded by hordes of hostile AIs.

I think the Purpose of the FT and the way it funtions now is fine to prevent abuse against clans and Independants! To make it fair for EVERY ONE!

Actually now that I think about it the Abuse of it or any Abuse by Players is only in Multi-Play! And the Abuse against Indie Players can be controlled by the Server Operater Rules and Monitoring there of as has been in the past!

Although I am not in a Clan or ever have been, I have been playing these games for 4 years! And Fulcrums have been abused against Independants and ussually but not always the Server Operater would step in if He/She detected abuse of them! And I have heard big Clans complain about the little Clans and the little Clans complain about the big Clans constantly about the difficulty or ease of unfair methods of attacks and unfair methods of counter attacks!. A War is a War and nothing ever seems fair in a War!.....

Some very good points made, especially about FT's damaging stations. Though if they could damage stations then perhaps sd's become redundant and that's a whole other can of worms!

And as Viper (I think) said - people complain when they are suddenly pushed beyond their safe zone; we've heard it with the changes required for combat in the Expansion - calls to change things so the old tactics still work . . .

Along with others I'm not sure any more what the actual problem is so . . .

Can anyone state the nub of the problem with respawning FT's simply and in a shortish sentence . . .

People can then agree or disagree - if enough agree then I think Vice is more than capable of coming up with a solution to the perceived problem/exploit

But I would still like things left alone in SP (if that is possible if changes are made to the main game file)

[KingArthur]

I AGREE WITH VIPER ON THIS ONE. I Think ANY CHANGE in FT's/SD's or PROX MINES will HURT ALL.

It is My Hope VICE Will Decide to LEAVE THESE WEAPONS AS THEY ARE CURRENTLY.

The "ESC" Timer Is MORE THAN ENOUGH.

[Cindy]

If I may, I'd like to point some things out. Most of the only ones who are set on complaining day after day either claim that they've "never fired a FT in their life", that there is "no good purpose for FTs" - because they can't figure out how to work around them, or that they just want them gone because they don't like turn-around play.

I tend to fire a lot of FTs, yes. Most of which are for experimentation purposes. Since I am probably one of the top people who fire FTs, will anyone listen to me? Most likely not.

Complaining and whining by several people, who most likely didn't have any business using them in the first place, about the FTs have pretty much ruined them for the players who actually use them for many, many things. The only reason the "elite group"/"popularity group"/"the group" has a problem with FTs is that they cannot figure out how they work. The other players don't really seem to have a problem with them - other than a few select people who don't like certain other players exploiting the game.

This complaining and whining just gives Vice a headache, I'm sure, and makes him less willing to work with us. I personally appreciate the work he is putting in for us - even though it is ruining the experience of the game for me. At least he is trying and we should be very grateful for that! I'll just not use FTs if I have to. There are many more weapons in the game which are also fun for me. And in single-player, I don't have to worry about who is going to try to get me banned, etc. while playing with my favorite weapons.

Once the FTs are taken care of, there will be more complaints about other things that players don't understand. Like stealth. I vote just auto-save the profile like the Station Detonators do and call it good. It worked for the Station Detonators quite well, why wouldn't it work for FTs too?


Please note: The above part of my post is not referring to R.C. in any way, shape, or form. He just wanted to fix the problem. The problem though isn't the FT - it is the players who use them in the wrong ways and then complain when consequences come around.


Side note: I believe R.C. left his clan because KingArthur ordered suicide nuking to deal with the Vonari's very clever stealth runs. He couldn't figure out how to fight against them, so he called for suicide nukes and went on destroying everything around him with them. That was one of the reasons why R.C. left [LL]. I personally think that this is truer than any other story I've heard because 1) I've heard it from a few different players and 2) I have known KingArthur to do exactly that when I was in his clan as [LL] Octavian. Not the best memories for me.

I'd appreciate "the group" to get their act cleaned up, stop throwing a temper tantrum whenever things don't go their way, and for once, tell the truth.

[KingArthur]

AGAIN, LIKE SO MANY OTHER TIMES, YOU ARE WRONG Cindy. AGAIN, I See Your ATTEMPTS To Cast a "BAD LIGHT" On [LL] and MYSELF has Come Out In SPADES. I WOULD NOT CONDONE NOR ORDER PILOTS to Engage in the Use of "SUICIDE" Missions With FT's When It's Just as Easy to FIRE AND JUMP, or FIRE and REVERSE AFTERBURN, or FIRE AT 2000m and AFTERBURN 90 Degs AWAY, etc..... With an FT's "FIRE AND FORGET" Capabilities there is NO NEED for "SUICIDE" Attacks.

"EXPERIMATION" with an FT? Of Course, Perfectly PLAUSABLE.........

Destroying a CLOAKED SHIP Who Is USING AN SD Is a SIMPLY OPERATION that NEVER REQUIRES "SUICIDE".

I Your SHORT TIME as [LL]Octavian I NEVER Issued Orders for "SUICIDE" FT ATTACKS. Again, You Choose to Besmerch [LL] Clan, as YOU ALWAYS DO.

Having You as [LL]Octavian WAS NOT a "Favorite Memory" of Mine Either. WHAT WAS I THINKING HAVING YOU IN [LL].

YOU ARE the "QUEEN" Of FT"s As Was Witnessed When You, with KAT, FIRED FT's INTO THE JOUSTS Oh So Many Times, for NO OTHER REASON THAN TO DISRUPT US. So Much So that JANUS the ADMIN of SP6 Had to CREATE a PvP Arena For The Jousts were ANYONE WHO DISPUPTED THEM WOULD BE BANNED. Your FT ATTACKS STOPPED IMMEDIATELY AFTER THAT.

I Have Seen You JUMP INTO AN AREA AND DESTROY BOTH YOUR TARGET AND YOURSELF in a "SUICIDE" ATTACK So Please Don't Put on the "Innocent Act" Again.

Some Pilots, Me Includeed, Didn't Jump FAST ENOUGH when FIRING AN FT and Were Caught In The BLAST. HARDLY "SUICIDE".

As To RC's Reason for LEAVING [LL]. Well, that's His OWN BUSINESS.

[DaveK]

Cindy - KA: this is not very edifying - pop into U2U and battle it out . . . . please

[Rubber Chicken]

1.) Vice has agreed to work those who feel the suicide exploit is a broken aspect of the game.

2.) Any players using tactics that are not taking ill-advantage of a loophole in the program are not exploiting. Stealth is valid, like it or not.

3.) This thread is redundant now that Vice has made one for objectively discussing the potential solution for fixing a program exploit - not our distaste for each other's playing styles.

*Vice has given US a great opportunity to share in the crafting of this game. The more we mud-sling instead of dicussing things in an orderly manner and offering useful support for our opinions, the less he will listen to us. At least that's what I've grown to learn from this discussion.

*** I'm asking for this thread to be closed.

[Marvin]

*** I'm asking for this thread to be closed.

All in favor, say "Aye" ....

[Rubber Chicken]

....AND PULEEEEEEZE don't move the battle on to the other thread. That one is for discussing the program exploit ONLY.

[Viper]

Very, very well said, R.C. I think that pretty much sums it up. "Aye".

[Maarschalk]

Along with others I'm not sure any more what the actual problem is so . . .

Can anyone state the nub of the problem with respawning FT's simply and in a shortish sentence . . .

People can then agree or disagree - if enough agree then I think Vice is more than capable of coming up with a solution to the perceived problem/exploit

But I would still like things left alone in SP (if that is possible if changes are made to the main game file)

The Problem is\\was the Abuse\\Exploit of Spamming FTs with Suicide intentions or self destruct and rinse and repeat the Spamming.

Vice now has addressed this issue and I agree to close this thread but not remove it and leave it for refference!...

[DaveK]

great answer - thanks

[Marvin]

All opposed, say "Nay" ... oh, forget it. The horse has been killed. No need to kill it deader.