Clan FF

[KingArthur]

Understood VIPER

[Viper]

Thanks for understanding KA.

[-splosives-]

The clan politics of the Freedom Fighters is very simple. We have our territory, and we keep it. If another clan wishes to claim [FF] territory, they have to fight for it. There is no other option than war for our clan because this is who we are. We are warriors, we fight for our territory. We would rather fight till we die than give away any of our things.
You are most welcome to try, even though at this point you will most likely lose. We will not antagonize you for attacking us either, it will be a fair fight.

[-splosives-]

To clarify towards the [FF] clan:
What I am asking for is simply to be allowed to have a couple of 'Rebel Outpost' stations posted in the Unknown area @3588,0,-3588 region at the locations they are now, without the risk of having them blown up, so any Rebel Faction players could have a 'home' which makes sense from an RP point of view. Again: I have deliberately chosen the 'Unknown' area since it is not directly in the way of any clan area.
As I am asking for this favor I am hoping for some understanding for the current situation in the believe that all players and clans - also those who don't have large numbers or lots of time available to invest in maintaining a system - should be given a chance and opportunity to play their part in the game.

I'm awaiting a second response from a [FF] delegate.

~ Viper.

[Edited on 10-13-2012 by Viper]

As long as you do not destroy our colonies nearby the unknown planet, and your clan stays untagged, we will have no quarrel with you...yet.
We will, however, not hesitate to blow up your stations should we so desire (which is highly unlikely).

[Viper]

I am somewhat confused now as your last two answer seem slightly conflicting, but I'll just answer them both.

The clan politics of the Freedom Fighters is very simple. We have our territory, and we keep it. If another clan wishes to claim [FF] territory, they have to fight for it. There is no other option than war for our clan because this is who we are. We are warriors, we fight for our territory. We would rather fight till we die than give away any of our things.
You are most welcome to try, even though at this point you will most likely lose. We will not antagonize you for attacking us either, it will be a fair fight.[/quote]Seems reasonable, but it's really not. This way pilots who don't have a lot of time to train their skills, or just aren't interested in PvP, will never stand a chance. This means that fighting you for the spot will be futile from the start for me, as I have no skills what so ever.

As long as you do not destroy our colonies nearby the unknown planet, and your clan stays untagged, we will have no quarrel with you...yet.
We will, however, not hesitate to blow up your stations should we so desire (which is highly unlikely).

So you are in fact allowing me to leave those stations there, without me having to fight you over it? That's great, thank you for that!

If I can find another location that fits the purpose then I will use that. But truth be told, pretty much every system is taken, that includes all the secret and unknown systems, so I don't think I'll be successful.

Thank you for your consideration.


~ Viper.

[-splosives-]

I am somewhat confused now as your last two answer seem slightly conflicting, but I'll just answer them both.

The clan politics of the Freedom Fighters is very simple. We have our territory, and we keep it. If another clan wishes to claim [FF] territory, they have to fight for it. There is no other option than war for our clan because this is who we are. We are warriors, we fight for our territory. We would rather fight till we die than give away any of our things.
You are most welcome to try, even though at this point you will most likely lose. We will not antagonize you for attacking us either, it will be a fair fight.[/quote]Seems reasonable, but it's really not. This way pilots who don't have a lot of time to train their skills, or just aren't interested in PvP, will never stand a chance. This means that fighting you for the spot will be futile from the start for me, as I have no skills what so ever.

Indeed, pilots who don't train or put effort in this game will not stand a chance... Like in any other game.
People should not be rewarded for not playing a lot. I don't see that in any other game, so why should it be in this game?
If you want territory, you'll have to be able to defend it. If you're not interested in PvP, then there isn't really a point in taking territory. If people don't want to fight, we usually just take their territory if we want it. This is a perfectly reasonable thing to do in a universe with no universal laws (it does not contradict any server rules).

[Viper]

This discussion has been had before here, and opinions differ too much to find a compromise. So let's settle to disagree.
You do whatever you find is right, justified, reasonable or fair. I will relocate my Rebel Outposts somewhere far from your territory.


~ Viper.

[HawkEye11]

This discussion has been had before here, and opinions differ too much to find a compromise. So let's settle to disagree.
You do whatever you find is right, justified, reasonable or fair. I will relocate my Rebel Outposts somewhere far from your territory.


~ Viper.

Sorry for my delayed resonse I have been quite busy.
According to the Freedom Fighters Guidelines: All independent stations are to be considered neutral and must not be harmed. So non-clan tagged indie stations may be built in [FF] territory. We may remove them without warning for whatever reason if need be but otherwise they are basicly under our protection and its very rare that we ever delete one. As long as no hostile action is taken against [FF] you are free to do as you wish. So no [FF] station detonation or decreasing control percentages and I see no problem. Splosives agrees with me, infact im pretty sure thats exactly what he implied in his post above.

We are not tyrants, but we are also not push-overs. What we have here is a failure to communicate. Splosives does not mind if you conduct operations in Deneb or build stations, he was just stating that we are definitley not going to give up our dear home system without an amusing fight in return.
So to summarize: We, the Freedom Fighters have no place to prohibit Viper from operating in Deneb if no hostile action is taken towards [FF]. According to [FF] guidelines(law) Viper is free to do as he wishes and without interference from [FF] (unless its against [FF] law), and no matter what our opinion of him might be or of his organization (again, unless its against [FF] law: protecting the innocent; respect server rules; etc.) Personaly, I think its just fine for Viper conduct operations out of Deneb.
Viper you honor us with your cordial requests, diplomacy, and honesty. I wish you the very best with your clan. I would offer a peace treaty in regards to station detonation in Deneb, but it is FF soverienty, so unless its in the way or has a dirty name, it will be protected by clan law.

P.S. In regards to our territorial dominion:
All the of the quadrants that we occupy, minus a few exceptions, were colonized by peacfull means. We have seldom gone to war for space. That is not to imply that there were not once clans in the way of our expansion; there were a more than a few, and with open threats of hostilities; but these empire rise and fall. After being abandoned we simply moved in. Through all of this expansion we have prioritized peace over war because there is plenty of open territory to occupy and really no reason to war over a common comodity. This strategy seemed to be the most logical for obvious reasons: you can expand much more quickly with no resistance, u dont have to contend, look over your shoulder; and most especially from a political standpoint: your not stepping on anyones toes, so everyone is potentialy your freind. There are territories more attractive for settlement than others, the higher tech quadrants, a not so common a commodity, and they are indeed worthy of fighting for even if there is open territory. These are some of the systems we control.
People tend to get bent out of shape when you declare war on them over territory, and I have regrets about a few of the wars we have started, I do not wish any more emotional anguish on anyone. We have learned that we would rather try to be honorable. We'd rather make it attractive for people to attack us, and give us war. We are a hard lot, looking for a fight. Though the SP6 server is roughly 50% uncolonized at this point we do control a good portion of space and we expect that people will attack us for territoy, in fact were banking on it and for a good time.

Good Hunting ~HawkEye

[Viper]

Thank you for your elaborate and honest answer, Hawkeye, I appreciate that.

I might place a station in Deneb after all, assuming the old one is gone. If it's still there, I might use it again since Deneb's location is across the map from Merak, which is perfect.

On a side note: I have noticed that against my expectations, although the Rebel Outposts are not tagged with the [X] tag, in they still seem to produce percentage for the [X] tag. Probably because they were built by a [X] tagged player. Please keep in mind that regardless of the above, I, nor any Rebel, will actively work on [X] system percentages. So you nor anyone else will see their percentages being dropped by Rebel Outposts.

Thanks again for your understanding and courtesy.
And apologies for my late reply too; I too have been quite busy.


~ Viper.

[-splosives-]

Starions do not drop enemy percentages, they only retain their own.

[Marvin]

The thing which drops percentage in a system is doing contracts in that system while having your name tagged with any guild (or non-guild) other than the one for whoever owns that system. Stations only help maintain the percentage ... each tagged station decreases the rate of degredation so that, the more stations you have, the slower the degredation.

[-splosives-]

Exactly, and doing so would be a hostile act towards us. So don't, unless you want to fight, in which case, please do .

[FiveofWands]

I'm a new Pilot and was looking to meet up with the appropriate [FF] Clan member to see if there would be a place for me among the ranks.
Is the Clan full? Are there usual meeting locations/time? Whats this I hear about training..?

[-splosives-]

Our clan is never full, there's always room for new people that want to join our cause. If you join, you will get training from our best pilots. this training will depend on your current skill level, and will consist of piloting, combat, formation flying and PvP combat. If you want to talk to me or commander [FF] Hawkeye, your best chance of meeting us is on our teamspeak 3 server.

ts93.light-speed.com:5781
no password

You probably won't see me that much in game until the expansion update gets released, but Hawkeye should be on more.

I hope to see you soon.

[Maarschalk]

Hi FiveofWands, welcome to the game and forum!......Hope to see you out there some time!.....

[KingArthur]

You've Chosen a FINE CLAN FiveofWands. Consider [LL] Clan, the Legion, Your Friends.

[FiveofWands]

Thanks for the welcome everyone!

[HawkEye11]

Thanks for the welcome everyone!

Welcome to the game! Glad to see your interested in joining FF. Are you living in North America? I'm on TeamSpeak pretty much evening.

[HawkEye11]

New Recruit


The Freedom Fighters Clan welcomes member [FF] JayStar into the ranks. [FF] JayStar commisioned as a Warrant Officer.
Welcom aboard JayStar.
Good Hunting

[HawkEye11]

Freedom Fighter JayStar has been promoted from Warrant Officer to Lieutenant Junior Grade. Jaystar has distingished himself as an excellent combat pilot and has earned the following medals.

- Advanced Piloting Skills
- Expert Combat Skills
- Advanced PvP Skills
- Maintenance Level 1
- Basic Entrepeneur

[HawkEye11]

I have been modifiying the original post of this thread over the past few days and the changes are now complete. Please note additions to the post. All information should be up to date.

[-splosives-]

Well said, commander.

[HawkEye11]

[FF] JayStar has recieved the following medals:

- Basic Formation Flight Skills
- Advanced Entrepreneur

[KingArthur]

CONGRATULATIONS [FF]JayStar. I KNOW They are WELL DESERVED.

[HawkEye11]

"Thousand of Evochron denizens displaced after a pirate incursion into the FF quadrant of Pearl. Civilians and FF personel were caught by surprise and destroyed by a marauding band of pirates at an unkown time during the past course of days. Obviously waiting for the opportune moment to strike; the pirates have attacked in between scheduled military patrols of the system. Facing no resistance from any FF military ships the pirates have effectivley raided Colony outposts and military facilities all over the quadrant of Pearl. Their cargo hulls full of goods, raw matierials, and their desires fulfilled; they raze plundered stations behind them. A very high fatality rate suggests that the pirates may have hacked into the central computer systems of the destroyed stations: disrupting critical functions like life support and automated life boat ejection trajectory. This could explain why so many did not reach the life boats. In addition, why so many escape vessels ended up fatally impacting the surface of nearby planetoids and the systems local star. FF Command reports itself as ready to deal with this new threat, and that the appropriate counter measures are underway."

-Reporting heavy damage to the Pearl Quadrant due to a pirate raid. All [FF] orbital facilities and infrastructure completely destroyed; 2 possibly 3 Independent stations destroyed; Damage done to FF territorial percentage as well.

-FF pilots are reminded to keep an eye on our quadrants when they can, and report any activity.


[Edited on 11-9-2012 by HawkEye11]