Clan FF

[EN4CER]

@everyone busting my chops in-game last night

Actually no I don't need someone online for a clan war. IF you feel these rules are unfair please talk to the developer as he can surely change the in-game rules to accommodate you. As it stands Janus is allowing the base game rules to be the server rules. Minus being ugly to people...

Like I said last night I wanted this to be the start of a big pvp back and forth but apparently it's just too much for a couple of guys to handle. Sorry to have upset you guys so badly last night with an opening surprise attack made by 1 person.

The conversation we had pretty much said why attack us it's pointless especially if you dont fight. I took that as 'we dont like the game mechanics we're bored of doing 10k contracts please stop forcing us to defend this territory and dog fight us you coward'. Well no. I'm not going to do that. Until I have you know at least a wing man or two then I'm not going to fight fair. I'm not going to wait for a clan war until I'm built up like FF or LL because I'll never build up that big. I don't WANT to build up that big. I just want to start some more PvP like Iota.

Besides the first 3 things that happened to me was having 3 fulcrums shot at me. I warped out of the first 2 and then decided to use my stealth generator instead. What was I supposed to do? HONORABLY eat a fulcrum torpedo? I'm seriously confused. It's like you want the territory but not the responsibility of keeping it.

Griefing and pissing people off is the last thing I want to do so I'm sorry that it angered you. If having a clan war that you know you can win is just too much for FF then I can leave quietly as that makes it very apparent there just isn't room for what did you call us? Noobs?

@splosives - I swear you are the only person who seems to understand what I'm trying to do! Thanks for no flame man. We will definitely see each other in our crosshair's soon

EDITED: removed an LL reference. I did not combat or talk to any LL last night.

[Edited on 8-24-2012 by EN4CER]

[Edited on 11-19-2012 by thetiebers]

[Vonari translatorial]

I am very sorry the Vonari attempt to soften the target areas before the attack was fruitless.
A little "Kit" decided that the poor FF clan was in bad trouble and needed help real fast , so run off to warn them of what we were doing.

By the time you guys the TGS are online in pearl was to be already shaken down a little but instead it was fully back at 100%FF.

A pointless exercise in a clan battle doomed to failure, maybe it was.

Way to go guys, all of you, the winning team.
This team is all the players against the small independent clans who dare to attack the largest strongest clan and the clan itself [FF].

You shoot yourself in the foot again community.
Vonari will not play this game.
The vonari quit and you can see how nobody really wins in this.
It just puts off any kind of clan warfare game play.

You say dont attack a large clan if you dont want to be outnumbered but you are the clan that invites and wants to be attacked. Can you not defend on your own, you need the help of all the other players and clans? Help you against a small one night attack by two clans with very small numbers.

FF can repair their pearl sys in 15 mins later.
We wouldn't mind that.
but using game exploits and spamming fulcrums, esc menu to avoid damage clan linking to search instead of sensor array.
Suicide destructible to rearm by fulcrum instead off going of to buy supplies and fuel and missile. I dont think this is very honorable play tactics. especially when you know you cant lose with your numbers.


This pilot, will not quit the game but Vonari clan has gone.
(we may return in the expansion but it doesn't seem very likely at the moment)







[Edited on 8-24-2012 by Vonari translatorial]

[-splosives-]

I'm sorry, mister Vonari, to have put too much work in our clan. I guess we're simply too good, and we should quit playing.
Seriously?
When [FF] started, clan Vonari must have been around for a while already, and had enough time to get just as strong as us.
We really don't mind new clans attacking us. We can take it. But honestly, they stand little chance for obvious reasons. But that's not our fault!
We shouldn't be punished for being good at this game!
And no we don't need any help from any clan, also we usually don't ask for help.

I do appologise for using Esc menu a couple of times, it won't happen again. All the other tactics we used are legit in the game.

[Marvin]

It wasn't too long ago when using FTs was considered dishonorable. Using FTs and then self-destructing to reload is ... well, bad form at the very least.

[-splosives-]

We only adopted their tactics.

[KingArthur]

Self-Destructing to Reload During WAR TIME Is an AGE OLD TACTIC on EM and I See NOTHING Dishonorable About It.

Is the Pilot Suppopsed to Fly to Far Away Systems, Leaving Thier CLAN MATES a Pilot Short, JUST to RELOAD HIS MISSILES when They can RELOAD THEM in a 10 sec SELF DESTRUCT?

I Think Not. In a Place Where the Use of PROX MINES is Considered HONORABLE, A "Self Destruct" PALES in Comparision.

I Feel the Use of FT's should Be Left to Stop a STN DET ONLY. But THIS IS WAR. NO ONE CAN JUDGE TACTICS. WHAT IS "HONORABLE" and WHAT IS NOT. If It Gets the Job Done then WHY NOT USE IT.

I Can't REMEMBER The Last Time Someone ACTUALLY POSTED A DECLARATION OF WAR.

It Seems WAR is DECLARED when a CLAN WAKES UP and See's Their SYSTEM % and STATIONS GONE.

A MOST HONORABLE start to a WAR.






[Edited on 8-24-2012 by KingArthur]

[Marvin]

Don Quixote would disagree.

[HawkEye11]

The Abbreviated Vonari Battle Narrative and Evaluation in Brief. By: HawkEye
1.The Abbreviated Narrative in Brief
*[V] tagged pilot logs onto the Starport 6 server and enters space at the Arvoch WZ. [FF] tagged pilot HawkEye arrives at WZ and says hi to Vonari, looking for PvP. [FF] and [V] pilot engage eachother. HawkEye notices that [V] pilot is using a skillfull mix of high speeds and cloaking manuevers to evade his attacks. This is uncommon for a Vonari who are quite agressive and honorable; HawkEye heart rate increases, he wonders what this Vonari pilot is up to.

*A second [V] tagged pilot logs onto the Starport 6 server in Aquila. It must be a diversion he thought; clever Vonari. HawkEye gets an uneasy feeling. He checks the forum threads for a formal war declaration which would perhaps contain their terms, objectives, or proposed rules of engagment. No rules of engagment are proposed. Meanwhile the [V] in Arvoch WZ rallies with his brother in Aquila, they begin contracting, HawkEye gives pursuit. At this point HawkEye strongly considered logging off. He had already been playing Evochron Mercenary for approximatley 13 hours; training, testing, and dogfighting his freinds. It was 12 in the morning local time. Also, he thought that without any [FF] personel present to defend their systems, the [V] would cease attacks. This is the common code of honor practiced by the vetran clans, one that [FF] wishes to retain. HawkEye thought for a minute..."If the [V] clan is truely a honorable clan they will stop attacking if I log off...But then again if they are such an honorable clan it would be unfair of me to deny them this terrific opportunity to strike into the heart off [FF] space. Thus using thier honor as an exploit for my own gain." HawkEye decided to stay and fight, at least for a while, "let them do some damage" , he thought, "this war with the [V] will last a life time, we will get our chance to strike back." Luckily for HawkEye, he did not have to fight alone.

Fortunatley for HawkEye, two very well trained pilots were only a call away. Pilots Lazarus and Komiho proved themselves to be outstanding Officers and demonstarted their mettle on the field of battle. Upon arrival of reinforcments Cmdr HawkEye quickly took the initiatve. It was now 3[FF] vs 2[V]. With this slight advantage in manpower HawkEye decided to stage a counter attack into [V] space. Leaving just one skilled pilot behind to defend Pearl, [FF] sent the bulk of its force on the attack. HawkEye had previously ordered that all Vonari territory be reconnoitered and Fleet Admiral Splosives had done a terrific job of intelligence gathering; the Freedom Fighters advance was extremely fast, efficient, and the Vonari offered no resistance.
HawkEye pushed his men at a fevorish pace, reducing system after system to around 40 %. Meanwhile the Vonari were having a hard time reducing Pearl's percentage, thanks to a stiff defense offered by Komiho.

By the time the third Von system reached 50% the [V] had logged off and the Freedom Fighters were obliged to stop the attack into their space. HawkEye logged off of Evochron to write a post in the forums about the engagment. Before he could finish writing the post, and hes quite slow mind you, HawkEye gets reports that the Von attack again! He logs back onto the game to see the situation and gets killed in the Hangar by a Von! Ouch! Nice one Von. He then decides that he is beyond his usefullnes and goes to bed. Lazarus and Komiho continue the fight without him, HawkEye has complete confidence in their abilities.

2. The Abbreviated Vonari Battle Evaluation in Brief.
Summary of [FF]'s performance: While I was present they made a 3v2 look like a 4v2 or quite possibly even a 6v2.

[V]'s performance:
Pros: The Vonari initially attacked with great surprise and at [FF]'s weakest point(1 pilot), outstanding Sun Tzu would have been proud. They fought with determination and skill.

Cons: The Vonari opening battle plan did not appear to be coheisive. The main objective at first seemed to only be attack whatever. They attacked Aquila, then Alpha Centauri, and then a dedicated attack on Pearl. At some point they destroyed a station.
They did not have enough pilots, or they did not apply all the force available that they could have onto the point. One more [V] pilot or ally would have made all the difference.
They did not retreat their forces to regroup and repair. The V did not use any diplomacy. They offered no ceasefire. They did not offer any rules of engagment. They did not communicate any desire to not be wiped off the face of the Galaxy.

When I went to bed that morning I thought that surely the [V] would regroup, they would repair the damge done to their systems. Get their percentages back to 100%. They would re-fortify before attempting an attack again, they almost got wiped out their last try; Logic dictated that this would be their course of action. Preservation of one's self is usually priority 1. Turns out that the [V] commander is suicidal. Instead of licking their wounds, the [V] commander decided to go all in and attack while we were offline. [FF] is a very powerfull clan, and by attacking [FF] in such a manner, the [V] lost their only edge, their only reason for existing this long: We have allowed them to. The fact that [FF] will not attack a clan while they are offline is not something to be taken for granted.

My Conclusion: I immagine that the [V] commander is as intelligent as I and privy to all the information that I can yield; so therefore I can only conclude that the [V] commited suicide, by throwing themselves on our swords, fully aware of the consequences of their actions, especially those of attacking a clan while they are offline.

[EN4CER]

Vonari pilots are welcome within TGS if they choose to join the fold. All of my pilots and myself are guilty of crimes against humanity so they should feel right at home. The same goes for anyone on the verge. Join us to fight them!

OOC: I will have a declaration up soon. I'm also thinking about putting a scheduled time for territory wide no holds barred open combat. Something like 1 day a week the renegade clans attack a law abiding clan's sector. I can't schedule it for any earlier than 8pm CST and I have plans on Sundays and Wednesdays. What night usually sees the highest concentration of players? If we can get this going similar to the jousts that would be most excellent!

[KingArthur]

The JOUSTS Are GEARED For Pilots to IMPROVE THEIR COMBAT SKILLS in 1v1 Combat. ALL PARTICIPANTS ABIDE By the Rules I Have SET and POSTED. What You are Proposing IN NO WAY Compares to the PRAETORS JOUSTS.

[EN4CER]

I didn't mean in rules I meant in regularity.

[Marvin]

Renly had jousts. Stannis had combat. My thoughts are similar to Catelyn's. But, then again, both Stannis and Renly were beaten.

[The Sinister Transmitter]

#I believe one of your pilots.... Whats his name now.... OH!!! SPLOSIVES! HAD AN ENCOUNTER OF UNSUALITY.... Not so long ago.... We will settle any confusion..... We were conducting a "TEST" and SPLOSIVES was the.... Guinea pig? The "TEST" results are shown as INCONCLUSIVE and ANY INFORMATION is considered to be "CLASSIFIED"

[Kumiho]

No need for any banning or name calling.
We will deal with these pirates in game, in character!

I'm entirely with Splosives on this one. I don't feel EN4CER is deserving of any of the flack or flaming he's been receiving for his attack.

In Starport 6, not attacking another clan's territory while they're offline is simply a matter of honour, if both sides are willing to agree to the terms in the first place. This was an agreement [FF] had in place with [V], but then they went back on their word, so we retaliated in kind.

Either way, EN4CER's not cheating or playing unfair, simply fighting us the best way he can within the bounds of the game and the server. One could argue these tactics are a tad insidious, certainly, but I see this simply as an ardent invitation to a full clan war with no player-imposed restrictions or rules. All is fair in love and war, and I doubt The Grinning Skulls are after a romantic cruise over the rings of Tranquil.

Until I have you know at least a wing man or two then I'm not going to fight fair. I'm not going to wait for a clan war until I'm built up like FF or LL because I'll never build up that big. I don't WANT to build up that big. I just want to start some more PvP like Iota.

I understand this entirely. I'm fortunate to be the newest recruit of one of the strongest and largest clans in the game. Were I in EN4CER's position, I'd never consider fighting "fairly" as an option in the first place, what with how heavily the odds are stacked against [TGS]. They can't face [FF] head-on, outnumbered, and win. Tactics such as forcing us to dodge Fulcrum Torpedoes, laying Proximity Mines, evasion, and quick contracting are their friends. They want to fight [FF] the best they can with the best they have. As long as they fight within the bounds of the game and the server, I personally have no problem with it.

Well, as long as no one's using the ESC menu to dodge Fulcrums. My team included.

There's a large disparity between what some pilots consider "fair" and what the game considers "fair". I say fighting within whatever bounds both sides agree on is what's fair. [LL]'s PvP Jousts have many rules in place to make them honourable fights, but a clan war is an entirely different nut.

You shoot yourself in the foot again community.
Vonari will not play this game.
The vonari quit and you can see how nobody really wins in this.
It just puts off any kind of clan warfare game play.

You say dont attack a large clan if you dont want to be outnumbered but you are the clan that invites and wants to be attacked. Can you not defend on your own, you need the help of all the other players and clans? Help you against a small one night attack by two clans with very small numbers.

We fight our own wars, [V]. Whether other pilots or clans choose to aid us is entirely their own volition. They stand to gain nothing from it other than our favor and respect, and we have no authority over their actions.

That being said, [V] has a valid point. I feel we and our allies could stand to give our smaller opponents a bit of breathing room in certain situations, just to make these conflicts more exciting for ourselves and more satisfying for everyone involved. I'd honestly be happy to face [TGS] one on one, two on two, and so on, just so numbers aren't an issue. I know I wouldn't enjoy fighting a war where, in spite of my best efforts, I was making no progress thanks to unfavorable odds. Evochron is a game meant to be compelling and gratifying, after all.

Meanwhile the Vonari were having a hard time reducing Pearl's percentage, thanks to a stiff defense offered by Kumiho*.

Fix'd.

Also, I wouldn't call it stiff, considering they were still decreasing our percentage relatively fast while I was continuously dogging them. I only managed to kill them with Fulcrums, too. Never could get close enough to actually fight them for longer than a few seconds. Hell, I even got caught in my own Fulcrum blasts a couple times that night. I'm just that pro. Deal with it.

Griefing and pissing people off is the last thing I want to do so I'm sorry that it angered you.

No one can legitimately call what you did griefing. I personally look forward to seeing [TGS] in battle. Especially you, EN4CER. If any of you would be willing to humor a mere Warrant Officer, I'm even more eager to face you head-on myself. I may be nothing compared to my clan brothers, but I'm yearning for a chance to prove my ability in real combat.

Good hunting to all.

[Edited on 8-25-2012 by Kumiho]

[Vonari translatorial]

In Starport 6, not attacking another clan's territory while they're offline is simply a matter of honour, if both sides are willing to agree to the terms in the first place. This was an agreement [FF] had in place with [V], but then they went back on their word, so we retaliated in kind.

I am sorry but I cant for the life of me remember making such an agreement with FF for starport6.
Possibly an agreement for galactica1?

Was this made in game, through u2u or in the forum?
I am suspecting it is a case of impersonation.

Vonari had always played for the numbers.
When our numbers were greater than opponent and when we were able to IRL have free time ( that matched up well)
we would do the attack. Any human clan has always been free to take our [V] space when we were offline.
The offer we made to SG clan to attack our territories on sp6 assumed this too as our times rarely match and i hardly ever see any SG clan members online.


While playing for/with the Klone We made an agreement with LL that if we went to war with them we would post it in forum first.

That's about all the agreements i remembered ever making.







[Edited on 8-25-2012 by Vonari translatorial]

[Kumiho]

I am sorry but I cant for the life of me remember making such an agreement with FF for starport6.
Possibly an agreement for galactica1?

Was this made in game, through u2u or in the forum?
I am suspecting it is a case of impersonation.

Perhaps I was wrong, and the agreement never happened. Perhaps it was made my another member of your clan, without informing you. The [V] are an old clan, perhaps it was an old agreement.

Either way, I was simply going on information given to me by HawkEye. He even mentions it in his previous post, summarizing his point of view of the attacks.

Also, he thought that without any [FF] personel present to defend their systems, the [V] would cease attacks. This is the common code of honor practiced by the vetran clans, one that [FF] wishes to retain. HawkEye thought for a minute..."If the [V] clan is truely a honorable clan they will stop attacking if I log off..."

I am the newest recruit to the clan, and only started playing Evochron itself earlier this month, so I've told you all I know.

I'm also fairly certain there are server rules against attacking another clan's territory or stations when they aren't present to defend it on Galactica 1.

[Vonari translatorial]

V was most often a single pilot and we always attack when we have equal or greater numbers.
FF being offline fits this nicely.
and if you call attacking when your numbers are greater not honorable well, you see, we learnt this from you guys.
You can't really complain about that.
Players + Time online = numbers.


This no attacking a clans system when they were offline was first thought up during a time when a system would decay rapidly when no clan player was online.
I believe this was to help small clans establish territory for it was hard enough as it was without being attacked as well when offline.

Adding in stations to stop system decay changed things and imo and made this no online no attack rule silly.

Defending clan can repair system any time all the time but attacker can only work on it when other is online?.
really, Why should it be like that?

Whoever can spend time in the game should get the rewards for the time ingame not rewards for the time they are not online.

The reward for not being online being protection from attack.
One player logs in and suddenly the clan is much weaker, for now a group of 3 or 4 can defeat that single player with ease and feel good about not breaking any honor code.













[Edited on 8-25-2012 by Vonari translatorial]

[-splosives-]

You must know that we don't really care that much about how you attacked us while offline. We can take that because we're organized and able to take territory quickly.
It was you, however, who "shot himself in the foot" by attacking us offline, because this made us attack you while you were offline, and since we're more organised, we could demolish your entire empire in a swift stroke.

We don't blame you, you should blame yourself.

[Major Grubert]

"if you wanna play with fire, simply take a bigger flame thrower"

[Vonari translatorial]

You must know that we don't really care that much about how you attacked us while offline. We can take that because we're organized and able to take territory quickly.
It was you, however, who "shot himself in the foot" by attacking us offline, because this made us attack you while you were offline, and since we're more organised, we could demolish your entire empire in a swift stroke.

We don't blame you, you should blame yourself.

I dont think you understand.
I dont care about the territories [V] lost.
swing it that way if you want, that was not my point at all

I was upset about being called out as playing dishonorable by attacking when I had numbers when you had none.

Breaking an agreement that we never had, and other imbalance in the way the community as a whole groups into what amounts to a large single team.
There is no "other" team to fight.. wonder why?
that is my reference to "shoot yourself in the foot again"

New clans and players are leaving the game because its useless to compete at impossible odds and when they try.. THEY are the bad guys they get asked to be banned they get called dishonorable..

En4ncer being called out and even saying he should be banned?
I know that is all sorted now but i think you get the picture.


Vonari quit as a clan because these type of reasons.
We couldn't care less for losing systems we had under our control.










[Edited on 8-25-2012 by Vonari translatorial]

[-splosives-]

[FF] is not responsible for any out calling and saying people to be banned.
We would rather have people attack us when we're online, but we won't get upset if people attack us when we're offline.
In fact this gives us more reasons to go shoot some people, so it's not that big of a deal to us. We don't call you out, we just state what happened.

Perhaps the agreement was a misunderstanding. But what does it matter?

The community being a single team is also not our responsibility. [FF] works as a team...obviously. Any help we get is entirely up to the people helping us, we never ask for it.
So if you have complaints about that, don't look at us. After all we only have 2 alliances, and compared to other clans out there, this isn't a lot.

You must always keep in mind that anything war related the Freedom Fighters say is not to be taken personal. Because that's what we're all about: fun and games.

[Kumiho]

and if you call attacking when your numbers are greater not honorable well, you see, we learnt this from you guys.

Tsk tsk, [V]. You quote my posts without actually reading them?

As long as they fight within the bounds of the game and the server, I personally have no problem with it.

I have no quarrel with another clan using numbers to their advantage; gods know we do. It's hard not to, really. If five members of a clan attack [FF] territory while eight [FF] pilots are available to fight, I don't see any of them being particularly eager to back down. Everyone will want in on the action.

I only count being honourable as adhering to whatever rules of engagement have been agreed on by both sides, as well as not using the ESC menu to dodge Fulcrums. I personally have no complaints about how you fight, [V]. I simply find no enjoyment in flinging Fulcrums at a fleeing target.

You say these agreements never happened? Very well. Perhaps I misunderstood HawkEye, and for that I apologize. I never meant any ill will towards you or your clan, and I certainly wasn't aiming to accuse anyone of being dishonourable. I commend your mettle. As I said before, you gave me a very exciting first night flying as [FF]. I have to thank you for that.

I also still aim to defend EN4CER against anyone who wants to accuse him of fighting dirty. I'll even defend you, [V], if anyone were to outright flame you for your tactics. As I said, I see myself fighting much the same if our roles were reversed, regardless of whether anyone considers that stratagem unscrupulous or not.

[V] has a valid point. I feel we and our allies could stand to give our smaller opponents a bit of breathing room in certain situations, just to make these conflicts more exciting for ourselves and more satisfying for everyone involved. I'd honestly be happy to face [TGS] one on one, two on two, and so on, just so numbers aren't an issue. I know I wouldn't enjoy fighting a war where, in spite of my best efforts, I was making no progress thanks to unfavorable odds. Evochron is a game meant to be compelling and gratifying, after all.

I made a point of agreeing with you in my earlier post, suggesting it may be wise for us and our allies to allow our smaller opponents some respite, giving them a fighting chance on more level grounds instead of completely overwhelming them with our numbers.

This no attacking a clans system when they were offline was first thought up during a time when a system would decay rapidly when no clan player was online.
I believe this was to help small clans establish territory for it was hard enough as it was without being attacked as well when offline.

Adding in stations to stop system decay changed things and imo and made this no online no attack rule silly.

Defending clan can repair system any time all the time but attacker can only work on it when other is online?.
really, Why should it be like that?

Whoever can spend time in the game should get the rewards for the time ingame not rewards for the time they are not online.

The reward for not being online being protection from attack.
One player logs in and suddenly the clan is much weaker, for now a group of 3 or 4 can defeat that single player with ease and feel good about not breaking any honor code.

I concur entirely; with what you've told me, the rule now seems rather unnecessary and outdated. As I said, I'm still a fledgling pilot, so this is all news to me. However, its archaism doesn't stop it from still being a rule on Galactica 1.

GALACTICA 1 SERVER GUIDELINES

For the benifit of all our new pilots joining multiplayer just though i would put this out. There is not many but i ask that you stick to them.

1 no bad language ......
2 dont just join a clan. you need to ask the clan leader
3 if you form your own clan contrcts must not be done in another clans teritory unless a member of said clan is on the server at the time to fight for their teritory.
4 same goes for blowing up clan stations.

That was all I wanted to point out.

Mind you, for clans with very similar activity times, establishing this in the rules of engagement for a conflict could actually be beneficial. That's just my opinion, though.

As I said in defense of EN4CER, if I clan attacks another clan on Starport 6 while they're all offline, without declaring war or any rules of engagement in the forums, this is simply an invitation to a full clan war with no player-imposed restrictions or rules whatsoever.

[FF] is not responsible for any out calling and saying people to be banned.
We would rather have people attack us when we're online, but we won't get upset if people attack us when we're offline.
In fact this gives us more reasons to go shoot some people, so it's not that big of a deal to us. We don't call you out, we just state what happened.

Perhaps the agreement was a misunderstanding. But what does it matter?

The community being a single team is also not our responsibility. [FF] works as a team...obviously. Any help we get is entirely up to the people helping us, we never ask for it.
So if you have complaints about that, don't look at us. After all we only have 2 alliances, and compared to other clans out there, this isn't a lot.

You must always keep in mind that anything war related the Freedom Fighters say is not to be taken personal. Because that's what we're all about: fun and games.

Well said, Fleet Admiral. I share your sentiments entirely.

I do hope to see you and your clanmates in Evochron more, [V], no matter your tags or callsigns.

[Edited on 8-25-2012 by Kumiho]

[polyvinyl_zer0k]

The problem with this "clan war" is that when other players decide their only chance to fight FF is to take our territory while we're offline, it amounts to nothing more than vandalism. Our part in this "clan war" consists of logging in and re-building what others have destroyed while we weren't around.

And if we happen to login while they're vandalizing our system? They run, and run, and run, and claim they're being griefed. Because, well, they're outnumbered and can't "fight" us like normal pilots, because we're so huge and impossible to destroy.

Have fun wasting your own time contracting down our systems when we've already made it apparent that we can contract them back up in a fraction of the time. I won't let you waste my time, EN4CER, so you can sit happy knowing there is one less FF pilot out there trying to kill you. I'll sit out this "clan war" and wait for another one which hopefully involves better equipped and better trained adversaries. Hopefully ones that don't use the galactic equivalent of a can of spray paint to "pvp" with us.

OOC: I'm sorry we ruined your "surprise attack" and griefed you by trying to goad you into fighting back.

[EN4CER]

Hey Poly don't apologize just stop calling me a noob because you can't catch me. There's a fine line between friendly banter like "haha you're a noob" and being insulting. You know for a fact you were purposely insulting me. I'll see you and cargo again very soon.

[Edited on 8-25-2012 by EN4CER]

[polyvinyl_zer0k]

Son, if you can't handle being called a noob a few times after running away from the people you want war with -- because you admit you cannot actually fight them -- then you have a thin skin and you need to grow up.

Stop feasting on the drama and learn some combat skills so you don't have to run away like a coward and then complain when you're called out on it.