Cvilian vs military frames?

[aierce]

Im planning to purchase a military frame for combat missions, but it seems i can't hire a crew like a weapon specialists? Does later classes of military frames allow you to do that? Is the only thing upgradeable the fuel tank?

[SeeJay]

Hi and welcome.

The only ships that can carry a crew are the civilian ones.

You can only adjust the fuel tank on the military ships.

[aierce]

so in the end civilian frames can do the most damage? or am i missing something?

[SeeJay]

That is not necessarily true.

Military frames are improved to handle combat. (Instead of using a crew)

Crew is increasing the use of a civil frame and some use them for combat as well.

I use only military ships, but before the update that boosted the military ships
I always used a civilian frame (Mammoth). It is an outstanding ship still if you set
it up correctly and if you are a skilled pilot.

I suggest you try both types in combat and see what fits your combat style the best.
Here is some data of ships/equipment:
http://evochron.junholt.se/objectdescri ... object.htm

[Edited on 2012-1-27 by SeeJay]

[aierce]

It seems, comparing best of civilian and military frames. Military has more agility and armor. Civilian can carry more stuff and can have a crew. So in terms of raw firepower Civilian frame is best?

[SeeJay]

Not in my opinion.

The boost in the Mil frames "computer" compensates for the lack of a crew.
I always fly a mil in combat an usually change to a civ for trading.

[Dingo]

The military frames have the built-in equivalent of a weapon's officer. A civilian ship specc'd for combat will do fine, but a military ship will simply perform better.

[Maarschalk]

The higher class military frame has also more equipment slots then civilian ships unless you sacrifice your crew and cargo bays for more equipment slots in your Civilian ship but then you loose the ability of your crew to enhance your equipment. So for Combat a Military frame will always have the Advantage when comparing similarly set up Military and Civilian ships!......

[Dragon]

I currently fly a Starmaster frame, not that agile but, lots of assembly points and decent armour. I also sacrificed crew slots in favour of equipment slots. The ship is powerful enough to take on any fight but, is completely useless against the Vonari during military missions in the warzones, would it be better for me to park the Starmaster and invest in military frames for battles like these?

[49rTbird]

I fly the StarMaster also and it takes different tactics to fight but do-able with practice.

[Busch]

Well, I guess it depends on who you talk to, but don't toss the Starmaster out with the bath water just yet. There's much to be said about the Starmaster frame and accoutrement. Setting one up in the military form factor, with a WSO and Engineer as crew, all "cultured" up, is a pretty tough civ ship to knock out when flown well enough. There are other advantages.

After fiddling with the frame config to optimize as best possible, there's still 2 crew slots remaining. 1 cgo bay, or not, depending on wing-set selection (C9-10-11), and mission parameters. C-10 shields and engines... And minding ones' P's and Q's whilst in the combat embrace, it's performed rather well for me. I know, using a civ frame in war/conflict zones just seems like bringing a knife to a gun fight doesn't it ?. The mil frames are all standardized across the board to do what they do best - kill. The civ frames are all customizeable/adaptable to the missions/taskings a particular pilot may engage in. The "service" options: (not limited to combat in war zones), ace-kill contracts, Navy-patrols/escorts, and Miner anti-pirate patrols outside of the conflict areas, all have their impact on what a pilot may decide to set up ship-wise. I've set up my civ trading/mining/whatever fleet (Sentinel thru Mammoth frames), as merchant marine Q-ships of WWI/WWII note. Cargo bays and heavy artillery to keep the unwashed rabble at distance. Seems to work for me, in or out of war zones. Although, I have been employing the Avenger frame in the war zones of late, modded to the SX3. It's such a sweet-lookin' thang!

[hank]

" ... Although, I have been employing the Avenger frame in the war zones of late, modded to the SX3. It's such a sweet-lookin' thang!"

What's this mean?

I too find the Avenger a good fit for me. I fly them all (Evoch-E and up) but prefer the Firestar up to the Chimera. (I don't use the Predator ... just don't like its performance or looks) I swap ships a lot. I like Shrike one day ... the Avenger the next ... sometimes I like the Lamprey just cause its cool looking.

My preference for a combo ship (combat, battlefield cleanup, trading, etc.) is the Legacy with a C-10 engine and stripped down to 3 cargo bays optimized for fighting. It turns pretty good too.

Have a nice day

[Nubarus]

Before the add-on with the somewhat useless AI it didn't really matter if you flew military or civil, combat was easy enough (once you knew the trick to make the AI miss 95-98% of their cannon shots) to excel in both types.

The military frame had better speed, acceleration, manuevering and a slightly better energy ratio for susstained cannon fire.

The civilian frame had teh advantage of having an engineer so if you got a bit in a tight spot due to not paying enough attention and got a little cratched you repair your hull and subsystems a lot faster then with the military frame with just a C3 auto repair.

Now however the AI had a major overhaul and don't miss as much as they used to and use different tactics the military frames clearly have the upperhand here, especially against the vonari.

You can still use a combat prepaired civil ship but you will need the master the inertial combat in order to be succesful against multiple targets.

[Busch]

Hank, I've replaced the Avenger frame in the line-up, with Viper's mil ship mod - the SX3. I'm also flying another mod of the FireStar frame called the F-144/SW3, that Pilot PlasmaJedi put up not too long ago. Although, I've moved the F-144 mod to the Guardian frame on the civ side. Both fly/work well enough on my system and "game experience".

[hank]

Thanks much. I'm going to go look at those when I get home tonight.

Now I know. Have a good day.