Playing the Dark Side

Viper · Post by **Viper** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 6:42 pm

Heya guys

In all the games I've played I always loved to be the bad guy. As I do now; I would love to be affiliated with the Guild or the Rebels. Not (yet) the Vonari by the way - there should remain one common enemy for everyone I think.

I could probably turn my rep around in such a way that I become friendly to Guild and Rebels in most systems, that's not really the issue. What I'm wondering about is this:

I have found one or two stations that are called 'Rebel Construct', 'Corsair Base' or something along those lines. At least the station name would indicate that it belongs to one of the 'evil' factions of Evochron. I therefor expected these bases to offer equipment and missions more or less oriented on the evil nature of the station faction. But unfortunately, I discovered that those are basically the same as on the other stations in the area. What's more, it seemed that there were more Navy and Energy than Rebel and Guild ships flying around in the area, giving the impression that this region of space was not even controlled by bad guys, but by the lawful factions. Just like all other systems.

If there is something that I am really missing (that is, if I haven't missed it), it would be one or two regions of space dominated by Rebels and Guild, with heavy patrols of those factions all over the place, and stations and planets owned by them. Contracts would be oriented on their evil nature, strengthening your reputation with these factions upon completion, while making you less popular with the Navy and Energy. If you had a Navy or Energy rep and you would have the nerve to enter these regions of space, you would most likely be flooded with heavy attacks from high level Rebels and Guild ships.
(All this besides Vonari space of course)

I believe this would greatly expand the possibilities for players, as I am sure there are many others who would like to play the Dark Side.
Up till now I haven't been able to find a region of space as I described above. Could it be that I have simply missed it? And if not, would this be something that Vice would be willing to consider to build into one of the next version of EM?

I would be very interested to hear other people their views on this, as well as possible tips as to things I might have missed.

~ Viper.

Twilly Frost · Post by **Twilly Frost** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:18 pm

That sounds like a winner to me.

I would posit, however, that good and evil are subjective terms, ones man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

Let's not be so quick to label these rebels as "evil". We work...that is, they work very hard to carry out their plans in secrecy, right under the nose of the authoritarian, elitist, pig-dog Navy.

Otherwise, I'm reaaally all about some revolution. Cha cha cha!

Maarschalk · Post by **Maarschalk** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:29 pm

You can do missions or contracts for any faction. Having a Good reputation in a System means you are on a good foot with the Goverment of that system which is currently always the Navy, Energy and Miners.

If you do contracts for the Guilds and Rebels and fight the Navy, Energy and Miners you will have a Good reputation with the Rebels and the Guild just not with the Goverment so you are the bad guy to the goverment! The Rebel Station you mentioned is just that! And your reputation is your reputation in that system to the goverment of that System! In hostile systems meaning your reputation with the Goverment is bad there are more Guilds and Rebels!
Now in a good reputation system your reputation with the Goverment is good so there will be more Goverment forces
present......Regardless who the Stations belong to...

:P

Percival · Post by **Percival** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:33 pm

It seems to me that Energy/Navy are the dominant forces of all the systems I've been in. Siding with Guild/Rebels really only increases the number of angry Energy/Navy ships coming at you. Aries and Merak might be the place to go if you want to see the majority of ships in the system be rebels. Keep in mind that until you do contracts there to increase your rebel/guild reputation, they ALL (energy/navy/guild/rebels/miners) hate you!

Viper · Post by **Viper** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 8:59 pm

@Maars: I was aware of that. I think I'm having a bit of trouble putting my thoughts into words the right way.

From post: 122190, Topic: tid=8266, author=Percival wrote:It seems to me that Energy/Navy are the dominant forces of all the systems I've been in. Siding with Guild/Rebels really only increases the number of angry Energy/Navy ships coming at you.

I guess Percival's quote is more or less what I'm trying to say here. Maybe the more valid issue here is that there is little that encourages you to join either side. Maybe, thinking about it, it would be nice for each 'side of the law' (ie. Navy/Energy/Miners vs Rebels/Guild) to have their own equipment, each with their own benefits and disadvantages.

I guess what I would like best, is to be able to become allies with let's say the Rebels, be allowed to venture into Rebel systems which Navy pilots are not allowed into by reputation, buy some specialized high level Rebel equipment on some secret Rebel base, build my own base of operations tucked away somewhere in a nebula and raid and attack Navy, Energy and Miner ships from there, terrorize the universe if you know what I mean, be a pirate.
Like in Freelancer, where your reputation and affiliation to (a) faction(s) was established by your actions ie. the missions you took and for which faction. As your reputation with a certain faction grew more positive, you were able to land on their bases and buy their ships and equipment.
It was one of the things I loved most about Freelancer, and it created a lot of excellent role play between players. It would be so awesome if we could have something similar in EM some day.

I'm curious if this might be part of the future plans for EM...

As things stand now, you can only do so much reputation-wise. Like Maars said, you can work on your rep. But thatÂ´s basically it. There are no special benefits, risks or other interesting surprises that reward the effort you put into becoming allied to Â´evilÂ´.

From post: 122190, Topic: tid=8266, author=Percival wrote:Aries and Merak might be the place to go if you want to see the majority of ships in the system be rebels.

Thanks for the tip, IÂ´ll check it out next chance I get.

~ Viper.

[Edited on 12-30-2011 by Viper]

Dingo · Post by **Dingo** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 9:02 pm

Aries and merak happen to be my two favorite systems! Old DD territory.

Post by **Marvin** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 10:48 pm

You could always script such a scenario ... using the Quest format.

Viper · Post by **Viper** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 11:16 pm

That would be an awesome idea methinks... Now if only there were someone who knew how to do that and how had the time to do it lol, I'll be the first to download it!

~ Viper.

Post by **Marvin** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 3:24 am

Scripting a quest takes awhile ... and anything written now will probably need to be re-written when the EM Expanison Pack is released. Especially if Vice adds a few more types of contracts to the game. (Think of Rebels taking down a horde of Navy terrain walkers.)

Post by **DaveK** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 9:24 am

From post: 122181, Topic: tid=8266, author=Twilly Frost wrote:
I would posit, however, that good and evil are subjective terms, ones man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

People who eat babies for breakfast are evil - no argument, simply evil, anytime, anywhere . . .

. . . but hang on a minute - Vonari burgers and BBQ Vonari are a delicacy in "civilised" Evochron, especially the tender stuff from Vonari pups

People who eat my species' babies for breakfast are evil - no argument, simply evil, anytime, anywhere . . .

. . . but hang a minute - that's what you said in the first place

Still, people who eat babies for breakfast are evil - no argument, simply evil, anytime, anywhere . . .

Ethics can make your brain hurt - but no ethics tends to make everybody hurt

Maarschalk · Post by **Maarschalk** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 3:20 pm

ROFL...DaveK....Sharks eat anything even babies....so they must be Evil!......No wait but relativity says something else that Sharks are the Garbage disposal system of the oceans and their babies get eaten to!......

:P:P:P:P:P:P

sundalo · Post by **sundalo** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 3:25 pm

Your right about the sharks being a garbage truck fish, they've been known to eat trash lmao.

Reaver 1 · Post by **Reaver 1** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 5:06 pm

From post: 122171, Topic: tid=8266, author=Viper wrote:Heya guys

In all the games I've played I always loved to be the bad guy. As I do now; I would love to be affiliated with ...

If you want to join the dark side, just align yourself with [HB], [IM], and [LL] and you will get all the evil you can handle.

If you are interested in fighting evil, then join us. The triad of evil keeps calling us rebels and terrorists, but we are freedom fighters. We are standing up against the tyrannical ways of the "establishment" and we fight to remove the noose of the "Alliance of Evil" that is [HB], [IM], and [LL].

Post by **Marvin** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 5:42 pm

From post: 122323, Topic: tid=8266, author=Reaver 1 wrote:If you want to join the dark side, just align yourself with [HB], [IM], and [LL] and you will get all the evil you can handle. We are standing up against the tyrannical ways of the "establishment" and we fight to remove the noose of the "Alliance of Evil" that is [HB], [IM], and [LL].

Fine by me. Write your own quest scenario.

Maarschalk · Post by **Maarschalk** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 9:02 pm

From post: 122323, Topic: tid=8266, author=Reaver 1 wrote:
From post: 122171, Topic: tid=8266, author=Viper wrote:Heya guys

In all the games I've played I always loved to be the bad guy. As I do now; I would love to be affiliated with ...

If you want to join the dark side, just align yourself with [HB], [IM], and [LL] and you will get all the evil you can handle.

If you are interested in fighting evil, then join us. The triad of evil keeps calling us rebels and terrorists, but we are freedom fighters. We are standing up against the tyrannical ways of the "establishment" and we fight to remove the noose of the "Alliance of Evil" that is [HB], [IM], and [LL].

LOL......I was unprovoked attacked by Reaver 4, while docked at a Station in Emerald and I do not belong to any clan! The attack resulted in 4 or 5 deaths of Reaver 4, I lost count and Reaver 4 only destroyed me in that first unprovoked suprise attack!....So still the question remains who is relatively speaking more likely to be the Evil/Terrorist one, The above mentioned clans or the individual Reavers because obviously of their chaos they do not seem to function as a Clan......

:P:P:P:P:P

Reaver 1 · Post by **Reaver 1** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 10:11 pm

From post: 122339, Topic: tid=8266, author=Maarschalk wrote:
LOL......I was unprovoked attacked by Reaver 4, while docked at a Station in Emerald and I do not belong to any clan! The attack resulted in 4 or 5 deaths of Reaver 4, I lost count and Reaver 4 only destroyed me in that first unprovoked suprise attack!....So still the question remains who is relatively speaking more likely to be the Evil/Terrorist one, The above mentioned clans or the individual Reavers because obviously of their chaos they do not seem to function as a Clan......:P:P:P:P:P

Well obviously your apparent innocence was relative. Perhaps...relatively speaking, you (or a relative of yours) was provoking an incident in relativity. So if the incident in question was a result of relativity, then perhaps it happened far in the past or future which makes your innocence truly relative to the situation at hand. You (or perhaps your relative) has once before (or will one day) made a hostile move against Reaver 4 which meant he was completely justified in protecting himself. Who is to say who was in the wrong, because it is all relative.

Maarschalk · Post by **Maarschalk** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 10:27 pm

LOL....Hmmmmmm, good points Reaver, but you forgot one thing! Reavers believe in Chaos and therefore relativity is irrelevant to the Reavers. So Reaver 4 actions can not be based on the relative past or future happenings. Therefore I assume that Reaver 4 action was out of confusion and chaos not being able to distiguish between innocence and guilt so he creates chaos and destruction anyway just for the heck of it just in case the person was guilty, innocence does not matter to a terrorist!........

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Twilly Frost · Post by **Twilly Frost** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 10:59 pm

From post: 122305, Topic: tid=8266, author=DaveK wrote:
From post: 122181, Topic: tid=8266, author=Twilly Frost wrote:
I would posit, however, that good and evil are subjective terms, ones man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
People who eat babies for breakfast are evil - no argument, simply evil, anytime, anywhere . . .

. . . but hang on a minute - Vonari burgers and BBQ Vonari are a delicacy in "civilised" Evochron, especially the tender stuff from Vonari pups

People who eat my species' babies for breakfast are evil - no argument, simply evil, anytime, anywhere . . .

. . . but hang a minute - that's what you said in the first place

Still, people who eat babies for breakfast are evil - no argument, simply evil, anytime, anywhere . . .

Ethics can make your brain hurt - but no ethics tends to make everybody hurt

Ahhh my friend, but you have missed one small detail. I said one MAN'S terrorist is another MAN'S freedom fighter. Creatures who feast upon the young of their enemies are either the enemies of beasts or beasts themselves.

[Edited on 12-31-2011 by Twilly Frost]

Reaver 1 · Post by **Reaver 1** » Sat Dec 31, 2011 11:50 pm

From post: 122343, Topic: tid=8266, author=Maarschalk wrote:4) BEST COMBAT PILOT: Report for PvP to me Please!

Sounds like you want players to come to you for the title?!?

From post: 122343, Topic: tid=8266, author=Maarschalk wrote:LOL....Hmmmmmm, good points Reaver, but you forgot one thing! Reavers believe in Chaos and therefore relativity is irrelevant to the Reavers. So Reaver 4 actions can not be based on the relative past or future happenings. Therefore I assume that Reaver 4 action was out of confusion and chaos not being able to distiguish between innocence and guilt so he creates chaos and destruction anyway just for the heck of it just in case the person was guilty, innocence does not matter to a terrorist!........:P:P:P:P:P:P:P

How can we as a group believe in chaos? That seems like an organization's organized goal...about not having any organization at all? Relatively speaking, that makes no sense me or my relatives. And since basing all your arguments on relativity belies both chaos and order at the same time, then the relativity of your relate-able argument holds no merit. Now, as innocence and guilt are truly relative terms (just like freedom fighter, rebel, terrorist, etc), who are you to judge in relative terms what Reaver 4 related to his views of you and his motivation for the attack and whether or not it had anything to do with relativity or not?

Maarschalk · Post by **Maarschalk** » Sun Jan 01, 2012 5:19 am

LOL.....The only one who can testify and validate his actions for the unprovoked attack is Reaver 4. I do not mind being unprovoked attacked. But I have to know the reason why? Even if it is just boredom on the attackers side or I did something in the past or will do something in the future to Reaver 4 or if he did it just for fun for PvP action to Test my skills against his. Atleast his testimony will tell me if I'm guilty of something I did to him or his clan to be considered for unprovoked attacks or if I'm considered an innocent indy pilot to have fun with! So that the next encounter with a Reaver I know where I stand as Reavers claim to fight for the freedom of the innocent and all Indy Pilots! I did not expect his unprovoked attack. I always warn if I'm about to attack some one and the Reason why! And only defend myself when provoked or attacked! Unprovoked attack without reason or claim is worse then and beyond terrorism and is called Chaos and as you claim you live in the Darkplaces of peoples nightmares (that I do not have). Terrorist at least give a reason or goal for their actions! So if I'm guilty of something show proof or evidence and reason that warrants unprovoked attacks by the Reavers as you your self now contradict yourself with " How can we as a group believe in Chaos" So if as individuals each of you believe in Chaos than you are a Chaotic group of individuals that all believe in Chaos!.....

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Rubber Chicken · Post by **Rubber Chicken** » Sun Jan 01, 2012 6:24 am

Wow Reaver! Sounds like yet another INDY Pilot who's not buying what you're selling!:P (HAH!)

Dingo · Post by **Dingo** » Sun Jan 01, 2012 6:27 am

From post: 122370, Topic: tid=8266, author=Rubber Chicken wrote:Wow Reaver! Sounds like yet another INDY Pilot who's not buying what you're selling!:P (HAH!)

I wish you would all stop judging the Reavers solely on appearances, actions, and truthfulness. That's so shallow.

Maarschalk · Post by **Maarschalk** » Sun Jan 01, 2012 7:48 am

LOL.....Dingo.....I'm not judging anyone! Just trying to make order out of Chaos and hold Chaos accountable for its actions which is the hardest thing to do!......

:P:P:P:P:P

Post by **Marvin** » Sun Jan 01, 2012 5:05 pm

Chaos, the 5th Horseman. Any wonder the Reavers like to horse around.

Star King · Post by **Star King** » Mon Jan 02, 2012 9:08 pm

Thus far what I can see is the good old boys crying about new pilots or clans not buying their victim stories.
Maarschalk is truly an independent after saying that Maarschalk your day was better after being attacked. like you, I enjoy EM PVP win or lose the explosions, laser light and cannon hits makes combat better then any shooter game.
One of things I like about you is that your a real gamer and you realize that this is a game.
Unlike you or me with Legends/FltAdmirals rank, Reaver 4 has very low rank and fly's a Wraith or an Evoch. I give this little guy credit for stirring the pot.