NEW MULTI-ROLE HEAVY FIGHTER CONCEPT

KingArthur · Post by **KingArthur** » Sat Jun 04, 2011 6:14 pm

The CONDOR is the Ultimate in Alliance Fighter Technology. It is a True Multi-Role Spacecraft.A Massive Upscale of the LAMPREY Frame the CONDOR increases the LAMPREYS mass by 22%, Allowing for the Substantial and Effective Upgrades it Possesses: The Following are the Basic Specs for the CONDOR:

ENGINES â€“ The CONDOR Uses a Military Class 10 Engine with a Afterburner Pulse System to Provide a Speed of 694,
rivaling that of the Lesser CHIMERA Frame. Though by no means as Effective as a Full Afterburner Drive, the Afterburner Pulse allows the Massive CONDOR to Engage in Fighter Combat Effectively.It Functions by "pulsing" your Afterburner for 1sec every 3.5sec.It inceases Engine/Frame Speed by 7.5% but Consumes 12% more Fuel than Standard Engines Alone.
MANUVERABILITY/AGILITY â€“ 61. This Level of Agility comes from the placement of a Anti-Grav Pod AND a Omnidirectional Thruster Pod on Each Wing. This Allows the Massive Frame of the CONDOR To Turn in Battle almost as Quickly as the Much Lighter AVENGER Frame. The Saw Tooth Wing Design is to Minimize, as much as is Possible, the Radar Cross Section of this Large Ship.
DEFENSIVE CAPABILITIES- Armour: 460 .The CONDOR Is By Far the Most Heavily Armored Fighter in the Fleet. It uses a Multi-Layered Fused Alloy of Cobalt Spectra 5 and Tempered Titanium. Full Countermeasures Capable.
SHIELDS- The CONDOR is the First Fighter Ever in Alliance History to use TWIN SHIELD GENERATORS, each Capable of using a Boost Module up to a Level 3 Shield Boost per Generator. This not only allows the CONDOR to Project a Dense Shield Array but allows for the use of rotating Harmonics and Resonance Frequencies WITHOUT leaving a Breach in the Shield Grid.
WEAPONS â€“ The CONDOR Again becomes a First in Alliance Fighter History to mount TWIN CANNONS and a Single Beam Weapon. The Mounting of Twin Cannons are Restricted to Class 7 or Below, due to Power Conduit Restrictions, but may EACH be Combined with a Cannon Relay System and Share a Single Cannon Heatsink. This Massive Energy Delivery Configuration can make Quick Work of an unwary Capitol Ship/Transport as well as ANY Other Fighters or Civilian Frames not Protected to their Maximum Capacity. Should the Pilot choose to Mount a Cannon above a Class 7 the Frame Automatically reverts to it's Default Weapons Mode allowing for a Single Cannon and a Single Cannon Relay System.
HARDPOINTS- 10. In It's Heavy Fighter Role it will be Called on Often to Engage Capitol Ships. The Much Larger Forward Swept Wings now allows for two Additional Hardpoints per Wing.
EQUIPMENT- 10 .Due to the Shear Size of this Ship,and it's Unique Needs, the Alliance has Designed the CONDOR with 10 Equipment Slots.Unfortunetly,this Frame WILL NOT ALLOW YOU TO MOUNT A REPAIR SYSTEM IN EXCESS OF A C2.
CARGO â€“ 3 Bays. Again,a first in Alliance Fighter History, a Fighter Capable of Carrying More than one type of Cargo simultaneously.

The Downfalls of this Ship are it's Huge acquisition Cost,more than 3 times that of the â€œChimeraâ€�,a High Fuel Consumption Rating ,this, mostly due to the Enormous Power Core used to Fill the Massive Needs of this Ship and it's Afterburner Pulse Drive. With Increased Technology comes Increased Sub-Systems and Relay Use, providing more areas of Vulnerability to any Ships Capable of Breaching this Ships Defenses. Although Quite Fast and Agile for It's Size, it is this Factor, it's Size, and Large Heat Signature, that make it a Target Not Easy to Miss.

To Access this Frame You MUST Hold a Military Rank of Captain or Above.
Even with it's Downfalls the CONDOR is Very Effective as a Fighter, Interceptor, Light Bomber or even a Light Transport, making it a True Multi-Role Vessel.

I have some Very,Very Basic 3D Renderings should Anyone want them.

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Galaxian · Post by **Galaxian** » Sat Jun 04, 2011 8:22 pm

Nice work/concept!

KingArthur · Post by **KingArthur** » Sat Jun 04, 2011 9:39 pm

Thanks Galaxian.I Put some Thought into This.I Did forget to Add that The Sheild System, having Twin Generators, are Adaptive, capable of Modulating themselves to the most Effective Resonance and Frequency to Difuse/Disburse the Incoming Energy for the Particular Cannon and Beam System being Used against it.
This System ONLY operates in a 1 on 1 Combat Situation or if ALL the Attacking Ships are using the same Cannon/Beam Combination.
If Confronted b y 2 or more Ships Attacking with DIFFERENT Cannon/Beam Weapons the OBC (On Board Computer) reverts to a Default Mode that Protects most Effectively Against the Largest Number of Weapons.

[Edited on 6-4-2011 by InkedMike]

Avenger · Post by **Avenger** » Sun Jun 05, 2011 11:19 am

Sounds a bit like an uber ship to me though, if I take into account how quickly I blast the enemies right now with my Avenger I can only imagine what it will do with more then twice the firepower and four times the protection of my current configuration.

Dingo · Post by **Dingo** » Sun Jun 05, 2011 11:26 am

ridiculously over-powered and unbalanced. The extra cost in credits doesn't really mean anything given how readily available cash is. I like the idea of having new ships, but any new addition must be in line with the necessary trade-offs required of all the rest. Interesting read though.

Rush · Post by **Rush** » Sun Jun 05, 2011 11:52 am

Yes it's too much.

SeeJay · Post by **SeeJay** » Sun Jun 05, 2011 1:55 pm

It could be implemented as an AI ship, give us all more of a challange.

KingArthur · Post by **KingArthur** » Sun Jun 05, 2011 2:51 pm

I Believe this Ship Would Be the next Logical Step After the Chimera.I Don't believe it to be Overpowered nor Unbalanced.The Use of The Thruster/AG Pods as Well as the Afterburner Pulse Drive (APD), Really just a Program on the Ships OBC (On Board Computer) which fires the Afterburner for 1 sec. every 3.5 secs.Of Course the Afterburner Components. (Combustion Chamber,Thruster Nozzle,Etc.) have gone through a Ceramic Fusion Process, a very Time and Labour Intensive Process in which Thermal Reflective Ceramic is Fused with the Ship Afterburner Compoments Metal Alloys.This Resists the High Heat of constant Afterburner Use, would Provide the Proper Power and Agility for the CONDORS Large Frame.

It is Indead an Ubership, and with that Uber Aquisition and Operating Costs.I still make Money on Attack and Destroy Contracts in my Chimera.I Shouldn't be able to do that.With this Frame I Definately wouldn't.I know cash is not hard to get,but I Still Worry about Cost Every time I Fire an Exodus.

This Ship would be for Players like Me,who prefer Warring Against the Vonari to Civi Contracts, and would Use the CONDOR to do So, and Who also Enjoy the Larger, more Heavily Armoured Frames to the more Agile Ones.I Don't say it's for Every Player,and having to Achieve the Militasry Rank of Capitain before You could Access this Frame would keep Many Players away from it.Only those Players who Enjoy Fighting Vonari would Truly be Interested in This Frame.You could go up against a pair on Vonari-C and Still come out on top.

Of Course if you think this Frame "ridiculously overpowered and unbalanced" Perhaps You could Show me one of your Design Concepts so I can See were I've gone Wrong? Maybe Spend some time in the Cerulean or Sierra Warzone and then See if You think the CONDOR is "ridiculously overpowered and unbalanced".lol.

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Rush · Post by **Rush** » Sun Jun 05, 2011 4:10 pm

Maybe implemented as a Vonari ship, why not...
Even if the best way to improve the challenge, would be to update the AI to be more effective. Maybe the "more effectiveness" area could be limited to warzones and very hostile systems

I would really like to fight more powerful AI. It would also help when training for PvP.

And a human-like AI for "ace" missions?

Post by **Marvin** » Sun Jun 05, 2011 4:47 pm

Yeah, like the ending to a Japanese space cartoon. You think you've beaten the Vonari ... having taken heavy losses yourself. When, all of a sudden, this big massive ship appears on your radar screen. Technology beyond imagination.

Rush · Post by **Rush** » Sun Jun 05, 2011 4:55 pm

:D:D Well it could be nice. But usually many of us don't take any damage even after 5 waypoints of patrol

So...bring on the uber-Vonari!

:D:D:D

soulsacrifice · Post by **soulsacrifice** » Sun Jun 05, 2011 5:13 pm

There are way too many capital letters in there for me to even attempt to read all of that. No offence, but I find that hard to read.

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MMaggio · Post by **MMaggio** » Sun Jun 05, 2011 5:19 pm

I guess you don't read too many books either.

Post by **Marvin** » Sun Jun 05, 2011 5:24 pm

If the lights kept going out every time it took me more than a minute or two to read a book, I'd be much the sorrier for having never read about Discworld. Or the nomes. Or H2G2. Or Hopalong Cassidy. Or anything from Dr. Asimov. Etc.

soulsacrifice · Post by **soulsacrifice** » Sun Jun 05, 2011 5:25 pm

Not ones with a capital letter at the start of every word, no.

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KingArthur · Post by **KingArthur** » Sun Jun 05, 2011 5:38 pm

LoL. RUSH, I Know most of Us Don't Take any (or little) Damage in the Warzones, but Currently We Don't Have to Battle Multiple Vonari-C Class (BattleCruiser) Vessels Simultaniously.
, plus Escorts.Perhaps VICE could Implement New Mission Scenarios to Accomidate the CONDOR.I Do like the Your Concept of "Restricted Use" of the Frame.War/Conflict Zones Only.I Created the CONDOR as a Military Craft for Military Applications ONLY.

I'm in a CHIMERA with a Pretty Good Equipment Package for Defense.I'd actually Welcome some Damage at Some Point.lol.

I Hadn't even Considered this Frame as a Vonari Vessel ( I was actually working on a Vonari-X Class Ship to Combat the CONDOR),but I Do See the Possiblities of a Vonari Ship with the CONDORs Attributes,Though I'd still Prefer it to Remain as an Alliance Ship.

Avenger · Post by **Avenger** » Sun Jun 05, 2011 8:52 pm

From post: 108146, Topic: tid=7631, author=InkedMike wrote:Of Course if you think this Frame "ridiculously overpowered and unbalanced" Perhaps You could Show me one of your Design Concepts so I can See were I've gone Wrong? Maybe Spend some time in the Cerulean or Sierra Warzone and then See if You think the CONDOR is "ridiculously overpowered and unbalanced".lol.

I have spend lot's of time in the Warzones in nearly all military ship classes, before the big military ship upgrade even.
I do have to say that during that time I was a horrible rookie that just started playing.
Then I flew civilian for a while until the military frame buff, then I tested several frames and equipment/weapons and I chose the Avenger as my prefered frame.
Now after a few months of playing, testing and training I can take on anything the AI can throw at me, including multiple Vonari + Battleship and even if there are more Battleships it won't make any difference since there Battleships cannot do much more then fire I little flak that I am not even sure about if it actually deals any damage to begin with and them silly harmless missiles that you can evade as easy as a mob of drunks during happy hour.

I don't even need a Chimera to whipe the floor with the Vonari so using a Condor that is roughly 3-4 times better then my Avenger it would be a tad boring fighting, unless Vice throws in 3-4 times the escort ships.

A Battleship with 21-28 escort ships would maybe justify a ship like the Condor, although I am fairly sure I can beat em in my Avenger as well if I really focus.

EDIT: I do like the dual partile cannon idea though, but on the other hand if I had 2 particle cannons I don't think I need a beam laser anymore hehe.

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KingArthur · Post by **KingArthur** » Mon Jun 06, 2011 10:37 am

I have spend lot's of time in the Warzones in nearly all military ship classes, before the big military ship upgrade even.
I do have to say that during that time I was a horrible rookie that just started playing.
Then I flew civilian for a while until the military frame buff, then I tested several frames and equipment/weapons and I chose the Avenger as my prefered frame.
Now after a few months of playing, testing and training I can take on anything the AI can throw at me, including multiple Vonari + Battleship and even if there are more Battleships it won't make any difference since there Battleships cannot do much more then fire I little flak that I am not even sure about if it actually deals any damage to begin with and them silly harmless missiles that you can evade as easy as a mob of drunks during happy hour.

I don't even need a Chimera to whipe the floor with the Vonari so using a Condor that is roughly 3-4 times better then my Avenger it would be a tad boring fighting, unless Vice throws in 3-4 times the escort ships.

A Battleship with 21-28 escort ships would maybe justify a ship like the Condor, although I am fairly sure I can beat em in my Avenger as well if I really focus.

EDIT: I do like the dual partile cannon idea though, but on the other hand if I had 2 particle cannons I don't think I need a beam laser anymore hehe.

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KingArthur · Post by **KingArthur** » Mon Jun 06, 2011 10:41 am

I have spend lot's of time in the Warzones in nearly all military ship classes, before the big military ship upgrade even.
I do have to say that during that time I was a horrible rookie that just started playing.
Then I flew civilian for a while until the military frame buff, then I tested several frames and equipment/weapons and I chose the Avenger as my prefered frame.
Now after a few months of playing, testing and training I can take on anything the AI can throw at me, including multiple Vonari + Battleship and even if there are more Battleships it won't make any difference since there Battleships cannot do much more then fire I little flak that I am not even sure about if it actually deals any damage to begin with and them silly harmless missiles that you can evade as easy as a mob of drunks during happy hour.

I don't even need a Chimera to whipe the floor with the Vonari so using a Condor that is roughly 3-4 times better then my Avenger it would be a tad boring fighting, unless Vice throws in 3-4 times the escort ships.

A Battleship with 21-28 escort ships would maybe justify a ship like the Condor, although I am fairly sure I can beat em in my Avenger as well if I really focus.

EDIT: I do like the dual partile cannon idea though, but on the other hand if I had 2 particle cannons I don't think I need a beam laser anymore hehe.

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KingArthur · Post by **KingArthur** » Mon Jun 06, 2011 10:43 am

That's Not My Quote Being Shown.How do I Delete It?

Rush · Post by **Rush** » Mon Jun 06, 2011 10:56 am

From post: 108194, Topic: tid=7631, author=InkedMike wrote:That's Not My Quote Being Shown.How do I Delete It?

Use the quote button in the top right corner of the post you want to quote

I don't know if you can delete your previous post. Probably not.

49rTbird · Post by **49rTbird** » Mon Jun 06, 2011 3:37 pm

From post: 108194, Topic: tid=7631, author=InkedMike wrote:That's Not My Quote Being Shown.How do I Delete It?

Look at your post on 6/5 at 7:51 last para.

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Post by **DaveK** » Mon Jun 06, 2011 3:43 pm

Hey guys - are we missing InkedMike's idea here - buy one and rule where ever you are - no-one could take you down; get a bunch of mates to buy then and your "Clan" could rule Evochron today! - tomorrow the World!

It sounds like if the capital ships were given these specs they would give the Aces amongst us (well, actually you lot

) a run for their money!

Post by **DaveK** » Mon Jun 06, 2011 3:45 pm

From post: 108195, Topic: tid=7631, author=Rush wrote:
From post: 108194, Topic: tid=7631, author=InkedMike wrote:That's Not My Quote Being Shown.How do I Delete It?
Use the quote button in the top right corner of the post you want to quote
I don't know if you can delete your previous post. Probably not.

If you see an Edit button on a post,then you can delete it - Click Edit and tick the Delete box below the Edit window

KingArthur · Post by **KingArthur** » Mon Jun 06, 2011 5:11 pm

DaveK I think You've Got It!lol.,,,,Almost.Though Certainly the CONDOR is a Ship Capable of Eliminating ANY OTHER CIVI OR MILITARY FRAME put up Against It.I Designed this Concept for Use as a "Vonari Killer".

I do see what others are saying that the CONDOR may be too Much so I've made the Following Additions/Editions:

1) I have Lowered the Ships Overall Size by 20%,making it only 22% Larger than the LAMPREY and just Moderately Larger than the CHIMERA.

2) I have Reduced Hardpoint from 12 to 10, thus putting more Reliance on the Primary Weapons.

3) I have Made it so this Frame CAN'T MOUNT A REPAIR SYSTEM, Putting More Pressure on the Armour/Shields.

Looking Just at The Numbers(Armour,Shields and Weapons) I Believe Everyone will see this is NOT out of Place in the Alliance Fleet.

a) ARMOUR at 460 Units is is only 85 Units above that of the CHIMERA(375)

b) SHIELDS:By Restricting Each of the Two Sheild Generators to a Shield Boost x3 Max It, in Effect ,only increase Shield Stregth by a factor of an x1 Shield Boost over any other Frame Carrying an x5.

c) WEAPONS:By Restricting the Mounting of Cannons No Larger than a Class 7 it Brings the Ship inline With Others Mounting Larger Cannons.eg. If Twin Maxim-R Cannons were Mounted on the CONDOR it would be Cabable of Putting 240 Units of Particle Energy DownRange.A Phantom is Capable of 220,Giving the CONDOR a Modest Increase in Fire Power(Though the Cyclic of the Maxim would Raise the Number Slightly, Still, it would be Nothing Outlandish.)

I Still Believe this Frame would Make an Effective Addition to the Alliance Fighter Fleet.

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