Windows 10

Nigel_Strange · Post by **Nigel_Strange** » Mon Jun 15, 2015 9:03 pm

I have Windows 7 on my rig, but I got a little popup thingy that says that I can upgrade to Windows 10 when it comes out.

I am not sure if I want to do this.

Pros: I assume that Windows 10 support will continue after Windows 7 support is discontinued.

Cons:
Windows 10 looks like an OS for a phone or a tablet, not a PC.
How do I know that stuff will run on Windows 10?
There is no "exit strategy" that I know of. Once committed, I might want to go back, which might require reformatting the hard drive.
It looks uglier.

Anyone know much about this new OS?
Also, what happened to Windows 9? It seems to have gone straight from 8.x to 10. I assume that Windows 9 was such a flop that they never even bothered to try to publish it. [sarcasm] Makes me really optimistic about Windows 10 [/sarcasm]

Rubber Chicken · Post by **Rubber Chicken** » Tue Jun 16, 2015 12:39 am

I don't know much about Win10, but I did decide to roll the dice and accept the offer. - Will let you know my thoughts when download day comes.

It might be wrong, but I've heard Win9 was skipped - as a name - to avoid confusion when referring to Win98 in tech forums and such.

Post by **Marvin** » Tue Jun 16, 2015 12:43 am

My son Googled it on his iPhone. Decided against it. What he does, I do. Beware ... there's a tiger behind both doors.

PaulB · Post by **PaulB** » Tue Jun 16, 2015 1:03 am

What I really hate is that Microsoft might make improvements but they also put in what THEY think you need and should have and they don't care at all if you current Apps no longer work - it's all part of the "Upgrade you computer and OS and Apps to new version so WE (all the developers) can have plannned obsolesence and make more and more money.
I'm not a 100% socialist but I'm absloutely against the form of capitalism we have in operation today.

Rubber Chicken · Post by **Rubber Chicken** » Tue Jun 16, 2015 1:44 am

Well, $10 USD on Ebay does get you a Windows7 repair disk that will reinstall Win7 if you don't have a boxed version or a recovery partition on you hard drive. The catch - you need to supply your own product id number to validate it. If you have the product id label on your computer box somewhere, then good to go.

I have first hand experience with this, and it works as advertised. Just make sure you understand what you're buying before getting one.

If worse comes to worse, I'll copy all that I want to keep from my hard drive, wipe the thing clean with a multi-pass drive wiper utility, and reinstall Win7 using the disk. Then, that will be all the worst trouble -hopefully- I'll have with Win10 if it turn out to be a pig.

@ PaulB - I think one of the largest problems we face economically is that most believe a free-market system is the identical thing as capitalism. In a true free-market system, people have the freedom to invent and innovate their ideas then use their opportunities to profit from them. In a capitalist system the operative word is 'capitalize'. In essence, it takes a free-market system and chokes out any idea that ethics, scruples, and thinking in the long-term when conducting business can have much more value than squeezing every last bit of profit out of the customer, and other businesses, and scoring as big as possible by the end of the financial quarter.

There will always be capitalists in a free-market system, but capitalism is what happens when said capitalists hold so much sway they can condition the entire system into believing that "dog-eat-dog, profit-over-people " is the only way the economy can sustain.

Personally, I'm pro free-market, anti capitalism - when the two are compared to each other in the way I just did.

mmRunner · Post by **mmRunner** » Tue Jun 16, 2015 5:17 am

Beside all cons and pros and capitalism: As far as I heard, Win10 will install this new UI only on tablets. On desktops and Laptops it will install a Win7 style UI (after Win8 users claimed to get back a usable UI). If this is true - and only then! - I'll likely upgrade to Win10.

sythsillis · Post by **sythsillis** » Tue Jun 16, 2015 7:21 am

There is a free program called 'Classic Shell' which alters the UIs of Win 8 or Win 8.1 to appear as a Win 7 UI. It doesn't change the OS internals in any way, but gives you the more familiar UI so that you don't have to search around for everything. No doubt there will be an updated version of it for Win 10. If anyone is interested, just Google 'Classic Shell.com' and see if you might like it. There are also a lot of videos about it on You Tube as well. It appears to be a simple and straightforward download.

mmRunner · Post by **mmRunner** » Tue Jun 16, 2015 8:19 am

Well, I'm using Classic Shell with Win8.1. But with Win10 it seems not to be necessary any more (I hope ...). Let's wait for the release. Then we'll see.

Post by **Marvin** » Tue Jun 16, 2015 2:29 pm

I thought Windows 8 had the option to change the look/operation of Desktop built in. My wife is using a 7-like Desktop ... has been since before 8.1 (very odd).

mmRunner · Post by **mmRunner** » Tue Jun 16, 2015 6:33 pm

Yeah ... Win8 has ... but only with rather strange start menu.

Nigel_Strange · Post by **Nigel_Strange** » Tue Jun 16, 2015 8:56 pm

I am wary of the various phrases they use for marketing. I have found translations for these statements.

Simplified and intuitive = "We have hidden all the controls, so if you really want to do what you did before, you have to figure out where we have hidden them."

Easy to use = "It's easy if you are a kid with zero experience. If you are already experienced in how to do things, then there is a steep learning curve."

Better than ever = "For us, it's better than ever. We're making more money now than ever. You don't really have much choice, anyway, so try to relax and enjoy it."

Useful = "You don't actually use our product. It uses you."

[Edited on 6-16-2015 by Nigel_Strange]

PaulB · Post by **PaulB** » Wed Jun 17, 2015 2:05 am

The interface, frmo my understanding, is one of the good things about W10. Everyone was so pissed about the Win 8 interface that Microsoft has more or less skipped W9 so that they could, more or less, put the old interface back in as the default interface (I think).
If that's so that's a big plus, but I would still be very concerned about current and past apps.

Even with Win 7 I'm still POed that I can't use my Winzip 7 which has always been fine for me on Win 2000 and XP and other older but perfectly fine Apps that would not work.

I just don't have the money to go buying 100s and more $ worth of new Apps because of Microsoft.
A new OS is supposed to improve the computer operation and make old Apps obsolete. I know there will always have to be some exceptions and some Apps must be upgraded at sometime - but consider the Business that has invested time and money in Accounting, Payroll, Invertory or what-have-you, maybe even custom versions and because of Microsoft they either must stick with Win 2000 or XP or W7 that they have or risk upgrading and hoping nothing breaks. Of course they would hopefuly just try it with one system 1st.

I had an App on Win 98, Cakewalk Pro. It was a professional Midi & music composition and editing program and it's wasn't all that cheap. And when I switched to Win 2000 on the new system I got at the time Cakewalk would not work. Had the same problem with a HTML design program.

Couldn't afford to upgrade all that software so just said heck with it - especially when you consider all the time invested in learning to use one of those types of Apps and it's features.

On top of all that you've got Microsoft making it so not only do you have to Register the OS online but are limiting you to minor hardware upgrades and checking your registration everytime you get updates o make sure you have a legit copy of windows.
Once I get major updates and patches installed I turn the darned automatic update off. And Microsoft tried to make it harder for you to find and turn it off.

[Edited on 6-17-2015 by PaulB]

Post by **Marvin** » Wed Jun 17, 2015 2:14 am

From post: 178473, Topic: tid=11974, author=PaulB wrote:Even with Win 7 I'm still POed that I can't use my Winzip 7 which has always been fine for me on Win 2000 and XP and other older but perfectly fine Apps that would not work.

7-Zip is free, works just fine and even zips files in the format required for sending to Vice. I wish my OCR was as easily ported from one OS to another.

mmRunner · Post by **mmRunner** » Thu Jul 30, 2015 3:14 pm

Got it.

After a bit of housekeeping and clean-up to get rid of some unnecessary rubbish, the first program I tried was EM. Well, no problems. All is running as usual. Hope, all the other stuff on my machine will run as well ...

Iron man · Post by **Iron man** » Fri Jul 31, 2015 10:31 pm

Watch out for the privacy content of yhis new exploitation system.....

PaulB · Post by **PaulB** » Sat Aug 01, 2015 12:31 am

From post: 178475, Topic: tid=11974, author=Marvin wrote:
From post: 178473, Topic: tid=11974, author=PaulB wrote:Even with Win 7 I'm still POed that I can't use my Winzip 7 which has always been fine for me on Win 2000 and XP and other older but perfectly fine Apps that would not work.
7-Zip is free, works just fine and even zips files in the format required for sending to Vice. I wish my OCR was as easily ported from one OS to another.

I put 7zip on the win 7 machine but the point is I know Winzip and I refer it and there's no reason why I shouldn't stil be able to use it. If it's good enough for XP and Windows 2000 (Pro and server) then it's good enough for win 7, 8 10, 1000.
There is no reason why the new OSs can't be backward compatible enough to continue run the most popular 16bit apps that ever existed.

mmRunner · Post by **mmRunner** » Sat Aug 01, 2015 6:52 am

From post: 179473, Topic: tid=11974, author=Iron man wrote:Watch out for the privacy content of yhis new exploitation system.....

... as I wrote: housekeeping and cleaning up. That's the first to do in Windows 10.

The only nuisance: after the upgrade the path to my preferred Java VM was a bit ... ehm ... strange, so I couldn't start Eclipse. After fixing it I couldn't find any problems more. Until now at least ...

[Edited on 1-8-2015 by mmRunner]

Post by **Marvin** » Sat Aug 01, 2015 2:28 pm

From post: 179476, Topic: tid=11974, author=PaulB wrote:There is no reason why the new OSs can't be backward compatible enough to continue run the most popular 16bit apps that ever existed.

Tell that to my Windows 7 version of Sound Recorder.

PaulB · Post by **PaulB** » Sat Aug 01, 2015 11:13 pm

From post: 179481, Topic: tid=11974, author=Marvin wrote:
From post: 179476, Topic: tid=11974, author=PaulB wrote:There is no reason why the new OSs can't be backward compatible enough to continue run the most popular 16bit apps that ever existed.
Tell that to my Windows 7 version of Sound Recorder.

If you mean the old Windows Sound Recorder - but Audacity is free and has a tons more useful features and effects editors including exporting to .ogg files.
I guess Sound Recorder may ave a lot smaller footprint for doing a simple record - but then you'ld have to use something else to edit anyway most likely if only to clip out the silences.

Post by **Marvin** » Sun Aug 02, 2015 12:11 am

You can edit with the old Sound Recorder (copy, paste insert, paste mix, insert with file, mix with file, delete before or after current position, change audio properties, increase or decrease volume, increase or decrease speed, add echo or reverse the audio). But Audacity does sound promising.

PaulB · Post by **PaulB** » Sun Aug 02, 2015 6:47 am

From post: 179490, Topic: tid=11974, author=Marvin wrote: You can edit with the old Sound Recorder (copy, paste insert, paste mix, insert with file, mix with file, delete before or after current position, change audio properties, increase or decrease volume, increase or decrease speed, add echo or reverse the audio). But Audacity does sound promising.

It's got all knida of things - change timing - tempo - it's got equalizers, Flanger, change sample time, etc , etc, stuff I can't even remember.
Goldwave is also good but not quite free.

Post by **Marvin** » Sun Aug 02, 2015 2:48 pm

Wikipedia has a list of various audio programs, sorted by what they do.

akuma92802 · Post by **akuma92802** » Sun Aug 02, 2015 5:18 pm

Just updated to Win10. EM loads quite faster (other games too) but crashes at 94% (building cockpit) stage. Tried SP, MP, Admin mode... maybe I'll have to roll back. Got one month to roll back to Win7.

Accountant · Post by **Accountant** » Sun Aug 02, 2015 7:43 pm

I just tried SP and MP on Win 10 and had no issue. Do you have any mods installed?

Post by **Vice** » Sun Aug 02, 2015 8:14 pm

EM should be all set to go with Windows 10. Nothing weird or different with it really. So if you run into a problem, make sure your system has the available sequential memory required for the game and you have properly updated your display drivers for Windows 10 (ie directly from Nvidia you have a Nvidia display device). Those are the two most likely issues after a new Windows OS install. Half of my test systems are now running Windows 10 and everything is checking out well in terms of performance and compatibility.