Comparison to Elite Dangerous?

Nimrod1971 · Post by **Nimrod1971** » Tue Jul 22, 2014 6:19 pm

Is anyone here going to play the Beta of Elite Dangerous?

Btw. there are some special offers still available until 29th of July.

http://elite.frontier.co.uk/

Nigel_Strange · Post by **Nigel_Strange** » Tue Jul 22, 2014 8:05 pm

Trying to figure out how single-player is supported. It says "single player missions," but does that mean that some jerk can come along and nuke you while you're chugging through your "single player" mission?

Also...I'm waiting to find out if they ever work out how to get the ship to yaw.

[Edited on 7-22-2014 by Nigel_Strange]

Post by **Marvin** » Tue Jul 22, 2014 8:37 pm

Looks good ... but I didn't see any planetside videos. Although it does look like you can do that entire docking maneuver in 1st person without cut scenes. Cool.

Nigel_Strange · Post by **Nigel_Strange** » Tue Jul 22, 2014 10:04 pm

Planet landings are not in the game...yet. It looks to be an expansion that might come out later.

I'm not going to put any money into the game, though, unless I can be absolutely sure of single-player support.

CS-ACI- · Post by **CS-ACI-** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 12:39 am

Hello,

I am an original Elite pilot, yes the BBC Micro version, now you know I have been playing a long time.

The later releases of Elite did not live up too the original, but this one looks good.

I will not be getting the Beta as I am on Vista.

The reason I love this game Evochron is because of Elite.

Steve

Nimrod1971 · Post by **Nimrod1971** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 3:29 pm

Walking onboard of your ship and station as well as planet landings are planned to be released as a separate expansion after final release of the game at least that's what the Dev's announced so far.
It's also being planned to be able to board vessels and to capture them.

So far the game looks very promising with lots of features. I've picked the Beta-Key which will go online at 29th until then you are already able to play 10 single player combat missions, difficulty level increases from mission to mission.

just found another nice video with ingame grafx.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODaiPJRyyxA&feature=youtu.be

[Edited on 23-7-2014 by Nimrod1971]

Clifford · Post by **Clifford** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 3:59 pm

I have been keeping an eye on Elite Dangerous (and the Star Citizen game also).
But I checked last week and it was $150 to get into the Beta, that's a lot to pay for an early version of the game and "promises" of what it will eventually be.

Main question that has not been answered yet:
Can you play "offline" just by yourself? It doesn't sound like it, sounds like an MMORPG kind of game required you always connected.

From what I read the beta is hard for new players to get-into because the more powerful players (better ships) are just flying around griefing the new players (being bullies) an there is no Reputation system or PvP balancing system in-place to stop them.

Can any current Elite Dangerous players give some insight into the current state of things?

If these issues are resolved I might get into the game. Really I want the ability to be on my own if I want, or play on-line if I want.

[Edited on 7-23-2014 by Clifford]

SeeJay · Post by **SeeJay** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 4:35 pm

I would love to play any game in Beta, but I will
never pay anything for a game that is not even finished.

Beta for improvement for a released, payed for game
is one thing.

Can't get my head around this backer thing since it might
even ever become a finished product.

Vice made this product on his own and launched a finished
product, then use Beta testers for improvements.

Nimrod1971 · Post by **Nimrod1971** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 4:40 pm

citate from the elite-dangerous forum:
"Yes, there will be an offline mode where everything happens locally, it is completely separated so you can even do stuff there without it affecting your online characters. "

Actually to get into standard beta is 60â‚¬ right now, standard beta will start at 29th.
To balance things there will be a reset of save games for the premium beta users before standard beta starts, that way all players will have the same Level at 29th

There will be another wipe before final release too.

I've backed for Star Citizen as well, but as things develop i'm rather disappointed by SC as it turns out to be a pay2win game finally.

SeeJay · Post by **SeeJay** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 4:53 pm

I rest my case due to the comment regarding SC😣

Clifford · Post by **Clifford** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 5:58 pm

It's your money and you can spend it anyway you want.
But buyer beware. Do a search on "video game preorder lawsuit" to see what could possibly go wrong. Also reference "Duke Nukem Forever" and the Intellivision "Keyboard component", and "Jurassic Park: Trespasser".

Don't read it as all bad; I really am looking forward to Elite Dangerous being a great game for me to play next, but I'm waiting until I can see what we are really going to get.

[Edited on 7-23-2014 by Clifford]

Nimrod1971 · Post by **Nimrod1971** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 6:32 pm

absolutely agree, there are a whole lot of Early Access games out there at the moment with which one really should be careful and get informed very well about them before purchasing them.

But there are also "good" games to be found as well. For example Starpoint Gemini2, it's a gem under the Early Access games in my opinion. Devs there are in very close contact to the game community keep them informed about whats going on and ideas from community side influencing the game. They are pretty busy as well, punching out updates very frequently.
At the moment game is about 70% finished and will be released in September.

Star Citizen on the other hand turns out to become a "space" world-of-tanks. Certainly not what the backers did expect it to be.

In case of Elite-Dangerous it clearly has been stated that it will be definatly not pay2win. There will be some free DLCs after final release and major upgrades will have to be payed for. I think that's a fair deal, players already know before release what is going to happen and can decide whether to support the game or not. So far game progress is in schedule with just one week delay of the launch of the standard beta from what was announced early this year, all dates up to now have been clearly scheduled before and have been in time. Therefore i'm not much worried that the game won't be released at the end of this year as announced.

Thinking about Evochron it's a pretty well done game which i like very much. But in my opinion it should have been promoted a lot more to raise players attention. Only thing i'm not really happy with is the UI, it looks a bit outdated to me and should get a overhaul, especially the navigation map, just my 2cents.

Onirim · Post by **Onirim** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 6:51 pm

From post: 171981, Topic: tid=11542, author=Nimrod1971 wrote:...
Thinking about Evochron it's a pretty well done game which i like very much. But in my opinion it should have been promoted a lot more to raise players attention. Only thing i'm not really happy with is the UI, it looks a bit outdated to me and should get a overhaul, especially the navigation map, just my 2cents.

True. And I would put more plastic / ceramics and less metal on the look of ships, stations, etc. Too much metal looks less futuristic in my opinion.

Clifford · Post by **Clifford** » Wed Jul 23, 2014 7:13 pm

Star Citizen on the other hand turns out to become a "space" world-of-tanks. Certainly not what the backers did expect it to be.

Ugh, that's worse than I though. (I have a Tier 10 in World of tanks, BTW). Yeah I'd be angry about that. I'm playing world of tanks less and less and wanting to return to Single player games more. I've discovered that the reason I play video games is because I want to have fun on my own terms at my own pace, and you just can't do that when forced into an MMO-kind of environment. I just want "Skyrim, in space".

[Edited on 7-23-2014 by Clifford]

Nigel_Strange · Post by **Nigel_Strange** » Thu Jul 24, 2014 2:20 am

It looks impressive. I will wait for it to be out and then I'll probably buy it, if it is not too much money. The Single Player is a must, though. I'm totally with Clifford there. I have to compete with people in real life, for survival. It's not how I want to spend my me-time.

Post by **Marvin** » Thu Jul 24, 2014 3:32 am

The preorder page at the above-linked website says $75 for the game and an extra $50 for the lifetime expansion pass.

sundalo · Post by **sundalo** » Thu Jul 24, 2014 8:31 am

Already helped fund the kickstarter and the got the lifetime expansion at no additional cost. Can't wait to play the beta and full release! Single player and mp gonna be a blast!

[Edited on 7-24-2014 by sundalo]

Nigel_Strange · Post by **Nigel_Strange** » Thu Jul 24, 2014 4:35 pm

I hope the price comes down after the release. That seems a bit steep to me.

Also: I usually play a demo before I decide whether to buy a game. Seems fair. You shouldn't find out after you buy something whether you actually like it or not.

[Edited on 7-24-2014 by Nigel_Strange]

Onirim · Post by **Onirim** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 1:35 pm

With all these great space sims coming up I would like to know what are Vice's long term plans for the evochron saga. It already is a unique game now. I wonder what's coming next.

Clifford · Post by **Clifford** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 3:51 pm

Just interesting, if you go to the Elite Dangerous forums and read, there is a lot of belly-ache about the space combat. It's like people have only played Wing commander / X-wing type games and nobody there has ever played Evochron or any other game with Newtonian physics.

Of particular note, people there are complaining that ships will "turn around" on you and just fly reverse while shooting at you. For This tactic there is no effective counter-action, you either 1) be significantly faster than their ship to overtake or 2) take the hits and slowly die or 3) break off the engagement.

Now they are talking about nerfing ship's top-speed when reversing. Slowly creeping back towards arcade-like flight, I think they are.

SeeJay · Post by **SeeJay** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 4:25 pm

There is always a tactic against any move in a Newtonian
based sim. If anyone says differently, they haven't practiced
enough and can't handle their ship properly.

It's easy to spot if a pilot is a arcade/sim pilot.

Clifford · Post by **Clifford** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 4:38 pm

From post: 172055, Topic: tid=11542, author=SeeJay wrote:There is always a tactic against any move in a Newtonian
based sim.

Yeah, it's nothing that a fulcrum torpedo can't solve

But seriously if an opponents ship's acceleration is greater than your ships Acceleration, and they want go get away, they are going to get away.

From post: 172055, Topic: tid=11542, author=SeeJay wrote: It's easy to spot if a pilot is a arcade/sim pilot.

It shocks me, is like nobody on the ED forums has ever played Evochron.
There's a bellyache about the consequences of "running out of fuel" on there also. Looks like they will have to add a "call for roadside assistance" button to the game.

[Edited on 7-25-2014 by Clifford]

SeeJay · Post by **SeeJay** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 8:13 pm

LOL. A Fulcrum Torpedo is also easy to dodge mate. 😉

Post by **Marvin** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 9:37 pm

As sad, frustrating and maddening as it is, there will always be kiddies who can't handle a real simulation and, consequently, insist that every game be dumbed down to arcade level. And then they play the game for maybe a week and move on to the next new thing ... and complain until, once again, a good sim is reduced to arcade simplicity.

Onirim · Post by **Onirim** » Fri Jul 25, 2014 10:32 pm

That's the price of listening to the masses crowds

[Edited on 25/7/2014 by Onirim]